President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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LSU-SIU said:
So, you claim it's classified? What is this based on? I can't have a discussion with the "majority of legal experts" which are not on the forum.
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Yes. The United States government classifies sensitive information according to the degree to which its unauthorized disclosure would damage national security. Revealing details concerning a forthcoming military strike certainly meets that criteria.

I'm not going round and round with you on this ..... I think you are being ridiculous. Trump's cabinet mishandled sensitive information. I do not believe that you would argue otherwise if an administration from the Democratic Party did the same thing. This is pure tribalism.
 
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hog88 said:
Absolutely JG should publish the entire chat including the “war plans”. If he doesn’t it detracts from his credibility.
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Unless he comes out and claims he is actively being prevented from doing so there is every incentive I can think of to release the whole thing.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Yes. The United States government classifies sensitive information according to the degree to which its unauthorized disclosure would damage national security. Revealing details concerning a forthcoming military strike certainly meets that criteria.

I'm not going round and round with you on this ..... I think you are being ridiculous. Trump's cabinet mishandled sensitive information. I do not believe that you would argue otherwise if an administration from the Democratic Party did the same thing. This is pure tribalism.
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Now who within the Department of Defense has authorization to classify said material?

rump's cabinet mishandled sensitive information.
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Not necessarily the way I would handle things, I would tend to agree. I am simply saying unless it was classified, there isn't anything wrong with this on the surface i.e. legally.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Yes. The United States government classifies sensitive information according to the degree to which its unauthorized disclosure would damage national security. Revealing details concerning a forthcoming military strike certainly meets that criteria.

I'm not going round and round with you on this ..... I think you are being ridiculous. Trump's cabinet mishandled sensitive information. I do not believe that you would argue otherwise if an administration from the Democratic Party did the same thing. This is pure tribalism.
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I asked another poster, is there evidence the texts jeopardized the attack on the Houthis?
 
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McDad said:
I asked another poster, is there evidence the texts jeopardized the attack on the Houthis?
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He is saying they are doing a bad job, I have no problem with that opinion. But unless the information was classified, legally there doesn't appear to be anything wrong here depending on how the guy got included to start with.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
He is saying they are doing a bad job, I have no problem with that opinion. But unless the information was classified, legally there doesn't appear to be anything wrong here.
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I agree it is careless. Personally I have no problem with the platform they used except a lack of "paper trail".
Thankfully, the mistake seems to be completely inconsequential on the attack.

Side note, are we ever going to stay out of conflicts in god forsaken craphole countries????
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Now who within the Department of Defense has authorization to classify said material?



Not necessarily the way I would handle things, I would tend to agree. I am simply saying unless it was classified, there isn't anything wrong with this on the surface i.e. legally.
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If the content of the group chat is what Jeffrey Goldberg claims .... then it definitely meets the criteria for being classified information. I'm not going round and round anymore.
 
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McDad said:
I agree it is careless. Personally I have no problem with the platform they used except a lack of "paper trail".
Thankfully, the mistake seems to be completely inconsequential on the attack.

Side note, are we ever going to stay out of conflicts in god forsaken craphole countries????
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I think that is why I said the interesting part is Vance's comments, he is hitting on this head. I agree. The problem there is no solution there unless you want to wipe everyone off the map.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If the content of the group chat is what Jeffrey Goldberg claims .... then it definitely meets the criteria for being classified information. I'm not going round and round anymore.
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Absolutely could be, heck in my experience if this went through the old school system it would most likely be Confidential or Secret... unlikely to be Unclass or TS. But that is beside the point, the person that released the info has classification authority.

If he wants to say on TV, we're going to bomb Gaza on Tuesday, he can do... now you can have the opinion that this is bad business.
 
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McDad said:
Thankfully, the mistake seems to be completely inconsequential on the attack.
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Only because Jeffrey Goldberg didn't post his information on the internet as soon as he received it on March 11th. Trump's cabinet put the security of a military operation at the mercy of a journalist. That is gross negligence.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Absolutely could be, heck in my experience if this went through the old school system it would most likely be Confidential or Secret... unlikely to be Unclass or TS. But that is beside the point, the person that released the info has classification authority.
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ARe you saying there is a hiearchy to information at the government level? If so, what is the hierarchy?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Absolutely could be, heck in my experience if this went through the old school system it would most likely be Confidential or Secret... unlikely to be Unclass or TS. But that is beside the point, the person that released the info has classification authority.

If he wants to say on TV, we're going to bomb Gaza on Tuesday, he can do... now you can have the opinion that this is bad business.
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Once again, you will not find a consensus among legal experts on that belief. And once again, I'm tired of going around in circles with you.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Only because Jeffrey Goldberg didn't post his information on the internet as soon as he received it on March 11th. Trump's cabinet put the security of a military operation at the mercy of a journalist. That is gross negligence.
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I am anti these types of attacks. Part of me wishes he would have disclosed the intel.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Only because Jeffrey Goldberg didn't post his information on the internet as soon as he received it on March 11th. Trump's cabinet put the security of a military operation at the mercy of a journalist. That is gross negligence.
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Allegedly. Now JG is free to show he was telling the truth.
 
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Why was Trump not included in the alleged texts? Vance was. Had this been Biden/Harris we all know the narrative they would spin…
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Once again, you will not find a consensus among legal experts on that belief. And once again, I'm tired of going around in circles with you.
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I don't care what "legal experts" say, they are not on the forum. If you are making a claim, make it. Who do you think puts classifications on data, information or documents? The classification fairy?

If you want to say its stupid or idiotic, I have no problems with that... but we have no information that it was classified. George Bush's administration told everyone where the fireworks were going to be and about when it would happen - that is up to the executive branch.

I think its sloppy the way it happened, as it wasn't the intent.

What you are doing is challenging the determination that it SHOULD HAVE BEEN classified, the recourse for that is ultimately at the voter booth. If Trump doesn't like how that went down, he can fire the Sec of Defense or anyone else.
 
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McDad said:
I hate group chats. People chat on those and I get notifications. I've asked several time to be removed from the group.
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sorry I'll remove you from our group chat immediately. I thought you like receiving excellent GIFS and MEMES all day
 
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