War in Ukraine

[Majors]

President Biden also took a trip to Ukraine. That helped the US immensely.

True story, so did Hunter.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

True story, so did Hunter.

Hunter probably had a better time too.
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[Majors]

Hunter probably had a better time too.
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OH my!

Board Meetings for his vast energy experience with Burisma.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

 

[BeardedVol]

Based on those qualifications......... Are you serious?

One has the access to intelligence clearances to effectively determine every possible factor in the equation.

The other has seen and possibly participated in fighting on the front lines.

If you're going to objectively ask who would be best armed with knowledge on every aspect of that conflict it's JD Vance in a landslide..........

Lol


You know why JD doesn't cite US intelligence? Because US intelligence says he's full of sh!t.

As U.S. and Putin negotiate, intel shows he's not interested 'in a real peace deal,' sources say

Intelligence suggests Russian President Vladimir Putin is going through the motions and still thinks he can eventually control all of Ukraine, the sources told NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[NorthDallas40]

Everyone does but you don't admit it.

 

[Sandman 423]

Lol
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You know why JD doesn't cite US intelligence? Because US intelligence says he's full of sh!t.

As U.S. and Putin negotiate, intel shows he's not interested 'in a real peace deal,' sources say

Intelligence suggests Russian President Vladimir Putin is going through the motions and still thinks he can eventually control all of Ukraine, the sources told NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

Why do you believe unnamed sources so easily? It is almost like they are trying to poison the well. Why do that?

 

[BeardedVol]

 

[NorthDallas40]

I fully understand what you're saying, but let's look at the conversational creep We've experienced. bearded posted a wish about a way to get Russians to stop killing Ukrainians. I think that's a noble wish. It's an ideal that I would love to see Come to fruition as well. My comment about that is Ukrainians cannot do anything to prevent Russia from doing that. They cannot control russia.
Only choices are to surrender, and hope for the best or flee and give up their country. The conversation was not about what's the best of all the bad options. Or which option results in fewer Ukrainians killed. The conversation was based on a wish of russians no longer killing ukrainians.

Bearded’s post was merely a pointing at Ukrainians are dying because Russia invaded and had Russia not invaded (all the way back in 2014) neither Russians or Ukrainians would be dying. So basically had Russia not acted like Russia nobody would be still dying today. And that is completely Russia’s fault because they chose war and I don’t care what mental gymnastics people get contorted into to try and say Russia was right in choosing war. They absolutely were not.

 

[BeardedVol]

Why do you believe unnamed sources so easily? It is almost like they are trying to poison the well. Why do that?

Why should I trust JD Vance over an anonymous quote from a congressperson?

Putin foe: Ohio’s Vance is repeating Kremlin talking points on sanctions

Few westerners know what a bad guy Vladimir Putin is better than Bill Browder — or what it’s like to get on the Russian autocrat’s bad side. And Browder says that Ohio U.S. Sen. J.D. Vance’s positions regarding Russia sound eerily like Putin’s own. Browder is the co-founder of Hermitage Capital...

www.yahoo.com

 

[LSU-SIU]

I didn't say everyone, I said you. If you can quote yourself saying the Russians should be fighting their overlords I will apologize.

Well, everyone would include them, and me saying it. As far as all this other nonsense, if people actually believe it why even talk... just kill everyone no surrender, no agreements, etc. Just pure genocide. It went from the stupid FREEDOM slogans in this war, to the idiotic DEMOCRACY slogans.... now onto NO QUARTER slogans.

This type of lifting must be exhausting.

Trump is much nicer than I ever would be.... I would just let all the Ukrainians die or flee.

 

[Sandman 423]

Why should I trust JD Vance over an anonymous quote from a congressperson?

Putin foe: Ohio’s Vance is repeating Kremlin talking points on sanctions

Few westerners know what a bad guy Vladimir Putin is better than Bill Browder — or what it’s like to get on the Russian autocrat’s bad side. And Browder says that Ohio U.S. Sen. J.D. Vance’s positions regarding Russia sound eerily like Putin’s own. Browder is the co-founder of Hermitage Capital...

www.yahoo.com

I don't have any reason to trust Vance over anyone else but I'm sure as hell not going to blindly trust any unnamed intelligence sources. Why do you think they are out there saying this while the admin is in the middle of talks? Kida sounds like there may be an agenda, doesn't it?

 

[KB5252]

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You know why JD doesn't cite US intelligence? Because US intelligence says he's full of sh!t.

As U.S. and Putin negotiate, intel shows he's not interested 'in a real peace deal,' sources say

Intelligence suggests Russian President Vladimir Putin is going through the motions and still thinks he can eventually control all of Ukraine, the sources told NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

Just because he's not interested in a peace deal doesn't mean we can afford to wage war, or risk escalation and US involvement.

Intelligence also advised us not to involve ourselves at all over the threat of risking the situation we are in today. I guess since we didn't listen then we should continue down the path of WWIII with the world wielding nuclear capabilities?

I supported the war in Ukraine........ But I can't any longer. The situation is lost without foreign troops on the ground. You seriously willing to risk your son's and daughters?

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Russia Launches Deadly Missile Attack On Zelensky’s Hometown — just hours after Ukraine agreed to cease-fire proposal​

Russia launched a deadly missile assault on President Volodymyr Zelensky’s hometown Wednesday — just hours after Kyiv agreed to a US-proposed cease-fire with Moscow.

The overnight attack on Kryvyi Rih killed a 47-year-old woman and injured at least nine others, while damaging high-rise apartment buildings, an infrastructure facility, a shop and an educational facility, Dnipropetrovsk regional governor Serhiy Lysak said.

Zelensky’s hometown has been a frequent target ever since Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine three years ago.


Firefighters battle a blaze following a Russian attack on Ukraine on March 12, 2025.

Russia launches deadly missile attack on Zelensky’s hometown — just hours after Ukraine agreed to cease-fire proposal

Russia launched a deadly missile assault on President Volodymyr Zelensky’s hometown Wednesday — just hours after Kyiv agreed to a US-proposed ceasefire with Moscow.

nypost.com

 

[LSU-SIU]

Another way this could be handled by Russia is accept the cease fire for the time period in which parties are actually negotiating the end of the conflict in person. Meaning, parties agree to sit down and talk with the U.S. on a certain date/time, at that time the cease fire would beginning until a final solution is agreed upon or a party determines there is an impasse. Of course, that can all be done right this second without a cease fire, which begs the question what is the use of a cease fire?

This could be beneficial to Russia (and there are some indications that Russia might accept) as than the U.S. would again be witness to the endless war demands of the Comedian, which probably will only be minutes or hours to figure out. Either way it would make more sense for the Russians to counter the offer with their own proposal but also mention they are not necessarily against a cease fire.

Either way, this seems like a strange way of reaching around one's ass to scratch their elbow. Especially considering the comedian already said the Ukrainians were in agreement on the stupid minerals deal like three times.

 

[Orange.]

Where did Vance cite "the CIA and American intelligence" as the basis for his views on Ukraine? He literally said that he watched it on TV FFS.
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What Trump and Zelenskyy said during their heated argument in the Oval Office

"This is going to be great television. I will say that," President Donald Trump said after a minuteslong fight with Ukrainian President Zelenskyy in front of cameras during a visit to the White House.

www.pbs.org

Do you disagree that Ukraine has had problems bringing people into its military?

Answer the question. You little spin job article focuses on the point when Z obviously dodged and basically lied with his dumb distraction about propaganda tours. You bought because... of course you did.

What's up with the abductions and kidnappings that Zelensky oversees?

 

[Orange.]

....

What Trump and Zelenskyy said during their heated argument in the Oval Office

"This is going to be great television. I will say that," President Donald Trump said after a minuteslong fight with Ukrainian President Zelenskyy in front of cameras during a visit to the White House.

www.pbs.org

That is a deliberately misleading "transcript" edit. The first 40-50 minutes or so are the decisive part of the press conference. PBS omitting that is a media propaganda op.

You should watch the entire thing here. It explains matter plainly.



And don't say it's too long after you spent years posting here. It's not too long for anyone who wants to know what happened.

 

[Majors]

Lol
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You know why JD doesn't cite US intelligence? Because US intelligence says he's full of sh!t.

As U.S. and Putin negotiate, intel shows he's not interested 'in a real peace deal,' sources say

Intelligence suggests Russian President Vladimir Putin is going through the motions and still thinks he can eventually control all of Ukraine, the sources told NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

Says the guy citing NBC.

 

[Majors]

That is a deliberately misleading "transcript." The first 40-50 minutes or so were the decisive part of the press conference. That focus is a media propaganda op. You should watch the entire thing here. It explains matter plainly.

And don't say it's too long after spend years posting here. It's not too long for anyone who wants to know what happened.

Media manipulation at its best.

 

[McDad]

I agree they can't control Russia, but thats true regardless of peace vs war, so its a bit of a moot point imo to worry about Ukrainian (war) deaths, if aren't going to worry about Ukrainian ("peace") deaths.

I also think the two options you presented are hardly the only choices Ukraine has. continuing to fight without the US support is still an option. No peace deal we force on them is going to work if they don't accept the terms.

and the two options presented ignore the negative consequences from either. I only pointed out the flaws in surrender, but fleeing presents equal danger, and probably even more unrest in Europe. at present you are talking about dumping 37 million more people into Europe. Rome was collapsed by much smaller forced migrations, and Europe is already struggling with the middle eastern migrants.

Ok. Confront Bearded's ideal.

Is there a way to stop Russians from killing Ukrainians?
Not best of bad option.
Not without negative consequences.

 

[Orange.]

Why should I trust JD Vance...

That's not what I asked you.

I asked if YOU disagree that Ukraine has had problems bringing people into its military?

Keep in mind the hundreds of posts in this thread about youths, men, and old men being abducted to fight for Ukraine. Zelensky lied by omission by changing the subject, too.

...over an anonymous quote from a congressperson?

Next you'll be telling me that 51 intelligence officials said Hunter Biden's notebook was a Russia op just in time for a debate.

Biden was lying, the "officers" were lying, and both used your Kremlin smear line. You're still pushing the proven "Russia, Russia, Russia" lie. Two cases of insurrection, election interference, and treason.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I fully understand what you're saying, but let's look at the conversational creep We've experienced. bearded posted a wish about a way to get Russians to stop killing Ukrainians. I think that's a noble wish. It's an ideal that I would love to see Come to fruition as well. My comment about that is Ukrainians cannot do anything to prevent Russia from doing that. They cannot control russia.
Only choices are to surrender, and hope for the best or flee and give up their country. The conversation was not about what's the best of all the bad options. Or which option results in fewer Ukrainians killed. The conversation was based on a wish of russians no longer killing ukrainians.

And of the "Surrender" options, there should be a sub-category.

Be utterly defeated, having kept fighting while demanding more support from other nations than they can (or are willing to) offer. Or accept what strength in negotiations and prevention the US is willing to give (US commercial interests and civilian lives on the ground in Ukraine as a buffer).

Which sounds like the best option?

 

[LouderVol]

Well, everyone would include them, and me saying it. As far as all this other nonsense, if people actually believe it why even talk... just kill everyone no surrender, no agreements, etc. Just pure genocide. It went from the stupid FREEDOM slogans in this war, to the idiotic DEMOCRACY slogans.... now onto NO QUARTER slogans.

This type of lifting must be exhausting.

Trump is much nicer than I ever would be.... I would just let all the Ukrainians die or flee.

as I pointed out previously, a fight goes on as long as both sides are willing/able to escalate. Ukraine may run out on both the willing and able side of that equation. but that is on them to make that call. Not you, me, Trump, or Putin. as long as they are willing and able, and they aren't getting good terms, they are going to keep fighting.

hopefully going forward we won't have anything to do with it. but that won't change the equation on the ground for Ukraine. any of us trying to tell them what is and isn't worth fighting for just creates future conflicts.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Where did Vance cite "the CIA and American intelligence" as the basis for his views on Ukraine? He literally said that he watched it on TV FFS.
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What Trump and Zelenskyy said during their heated argument in the Oval Office

"This is going to be great television. I will say that," President Donald Trump said after a minuteslong fight with Ukrainian President Zelenskyy in front of cameras during a visit to the White House.

www.pbs.org

He never mentioned "TV", unless you are allowing that "TV" could include intel/footage/etc, or inferring that he meant "Fox News".

 

[Orange_Crush]

Why should I trust JD Vance over an anonymous quote from a congressperson?

Putin foe: Ohio’s Vance is repeating Kremlin talking points on sanctions

Few westerners know what a bad guy Vladimir Putin is better than Bill Browder — or what it’s like to get on the Russian autocrat’s bad side. And Browder says that Ohio U.S. Sen. J.D. Vance’s positions regarding Russia sound eerily like Putin’s own. Browder is the co-founder of Hermitage Capital...

www.yahoo.com

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