President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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McDad said:
Lot's of juicy nuggets in here to pick your brain about.

RE Sweatshops: If a child is going to work in a field for a nickel a day, but has the option of working in a factory for a dime a day, would you say they are making a bad decision or are a victim of human rights abuse?
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its only helping them if their lives are actually improved.

with any of the child labor, and limited pay, does starvation go down? are they actually able to improve their society or their lot in the life with it? basically is the opportunity there for 5/10 cents a day to actually make an improvement?

it also circles back to other non-monetary factors as well. if they are working but missing on a decent-ish education is it a net improvement? are kids getting injured at a high rate? are there any long term health problems? Does being a child laborer get them a better job as an adult, or do they get cut and become unemployed at 18 or whatever the age is that they can demand a "living wage".
 
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85SugarVol said:
You sure seem to be, the way you keep coming back to subsidies.

The Federal Tax Code should be a mechanism to fund the Federal Government.

It should not be a device used to punish one segment of the population, to the benefit of another segment of the population.

If you are collecting checks from “has enough” Group A, so you can distribute checks to “needy” Group B, you are attempting to drive social outcomes via the tax code.
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So you're against infrastructure funding for rural communities. Got it. You're calling it punishment. I think it's more...you're a part of society and everyone pays their fair share -- which doesn't mean everyone pays the exact same dollar amount.
 
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Buddy’s Bandit said:
  • A Quinnipiac poll shows Democratic approval in Congress at a historic low, with only 21% of voters approving. Meanwhile, Republican approval has reached a record high at 40%.
  • SurveyUSA found that 60% of Democrats believe their lawmakers aren’t doing enough to oppose Trump.
  • A Gallup poll shows 45% of Democrats now prefer a more moderate party direction, an 11 percentage point increase since 2021.

Which party is representing the will of the people……democracy???
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jesus. the historical range of approval caps out at 40%? its no wonder we have a struggling society and government.
 
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LouderVol said:
you need to actually read up on what our word actually says.

all we assured them was that the US wouldn't violate their territorial sovereignty.

at this point isolation probably would be a diplomatic positive. there is a reason everyone likes Switzerland, and doesn't like us. and not being in EVERY SINGLE nation doesn't make us isolationists. it would be nice to actually side with people who actually side with us for once; instead of relying on an enemy of and enemy to not become an enemy later.
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Who are we siding with that will be our enemy later?

We literally drug Europe into Afghanistan and now we're *****ing on them. C'mon.
 
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LouderVol said:
its only helping them if their lives are actually improved.

with any of the child labor, and limited pay, does starvation go down? are they actually able to improve their society or their lot in the life with it? basically is the opportunity there for 5/10 cents a day to actually make an improvement?

it also circles back to other non-monetary factors as well. if they are working but missing on a decent-ish education is it a net improvement? are kids getting injured at a high rate? are there any long term health problems? Does being a child laborer get them a better job as an adult, or do they get cut and become unemployed at 18 or whatever the age is that they can demand a "living wage".
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McDad said:
Lot's of juicy nuggets in here to pick your brain about.

RE Sweatshops: If a child is going to work in a field for a nickel a day, but has the option of working in a factory for a dime a day, would you say they are making a bad decision or are a victim of human rights abuse?
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A nickel! Hell, my pay was getting to eat and sleep indoors.
 
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LouderVol said:
jesus. the historical range of approval caps out at 40%? its no wonder we have a struggling society and government.
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Mathematically, it makes sense. About 45 - 47% of Americans identify as leaning to one party or the other ideologically. I suspect the vast majority of the opposition party does not approve of Congress. Similarly, of the prevailing party/independents, if only 25% disapprove of performance (a pretty safe standard), they, combined with the opposition party, probably total at least 60% of the population. So, 40% is about as high as I would ever expect approval ratings to get, sad as that may be.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I could not imagine any tax levied against a company not being passed onto the customer in some way. Again, I'm not an expert, but it seems to me that a company will look at all costs of production and release to the consumer, and find a price-point that allows a competitive price that brings a profit.

So, to answer... Yes, I suspect that the consumers are the ones that typically pay the taxes levied on a company, which is why I stated that cost of living may go up. But if American-made products become more competitive in the market, and American jobs are created, that may be offset largely or completely.

Trump is talking about reducing or removing income tax and letting tariffs to fill the void. It is my understanding that that was how it worked pre-income tax. So, it looks like we have a historical example of it working. If that were the case, that puts more of the old and newly created salaries into the workers' pockets, and thus the economy. Which may help alleviate the cost-of-living risk as well.
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I wouldn't mind offsetting tariffs with a reduction in other taxes. I am dubious it happens though.

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Re: Tariffs and enhanced quality of life.

To me that would be the hardest data to quantify. I think it would be hard to collate and take years (possibly) to gather.
Are there metrics that you would track to verify?
 
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LouderVol said:
its only helping them if their lives are actually improved.

with any of the child labor, and limited pay, does starvation go down? are they actually able to improve their society or their lot in the life with it? basically is the opportunity there for 5/10 cents a day to actually make an improvement?

it also circles back to other non-monetary factors as well. if they are working but missing on a decent-ish education is it a net improvement? are kids getting injured at a high rate? are there any long term health problems? Does being a child laborer get them a better job as an adult, or do they get cut and become unemployed at 18 or whatever the age is that they can demand a "living wage".
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I think this is where the ideals we hold in this country hit the brick wall of reality experienced in other countries. For many of those kids, there isn't an option to work or not. School and work is what they balance. It's akin to America before our standard of living improved.

If in that context, a child can work for twice as much money, I cannot think of a way their life doesn't improve. Maybe not up to our ideals but certainly up to their reality.
 
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jwells said:
Who are we siding with that will be our enemy later?

We literally drug Europe into Afghanistan and now we're *****ing on them. C'mon.
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we have been arming Ukrainians recently so I would start there. we have seen plenty of material be captured by the Russians.

its not like any of the enemies we created we ever really saw coming as a threat at the time we were aiding them.

with the last, you realize you are arguing against NATO right? seems like you are seeing the flaw with the whole plan.
 
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McDad said:
I wouldn't mind offsetting tariffs with a reduction in other taxes. I am dubious it happens though.

Next nugget:
Re: Tariffs and enhanced quality of life.

To me that would be the hardest data to quantify. I think it would be hard to collate and take years (possibly) to gather.
Are there metrics that you would track to verify?
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Not that I know of. I'm just positing a different potential than the one prognosticated. I think they are very reasonable potentials to expect if tariffs create lots of production and jobs here. In addition to adding salary income to the workers/economy, you add more employee demand into the market and employers begin offering things that are otherwise filled as entitlements ATM.

A converse point may try to say that those benefits are costs that are added to the price of goods, and will be paid by the consumer anyway. But one would need to prove that government spending of taxpayer moneys on those entitlements would be more efficient than employer spending on the benefits to their employees.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Not that I know of. I'm just positing a different potential than the one prognosticated. I think they are very reasonable potentials to expect if tariffs create lots of production and jobs here. In addition to adding salary income to the workers/economy, you add more employee demand into the market and employers begin offering things that are otherwise filled as entitlements ATM.

A converse point may try to say that those benefits are costs that are added to the price of goods, and will be paid by the consumer anyway. But one would need to prove that government spending of taxpayer moneys on those entitlements would be more efficient than employer spending on the benefits to their employees.
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It may be somewhat related, may not be. But with increased jobs and increased demand for labor, we should see increase in wages. I am pro increased wages. Normally when our economy has sudden, high inflation wages will creep up over time. There is a lag but they always increase. I really haven't seen that since our economy inflated. It's almost like there is an invisible anchor keeping them suppressed.
 
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McDad said:
Like raising other taxes, you can complain about the dumb idea. Complain about the expected increase. But you can also wait for impact (both positive and negative) so your complaints are accurate.
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What are you talking about? I posted a clip from Fox News without comment about expected inflation increase. This is out of bounds to you?

I posted that Trump now may settle the tariff dispute....but it's not a done deal. According to you all, I should wait to be more accurate?...but none of you are griping about that post. Imagine that.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What are you talking about? I posted a clip from Fox News without comment about expected inflation increase. This is out of bounds to you?
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Did you quote the correct post of mine?

The reply you quoted was a response to your question about waiting 7 years to complain. It had nothing to do with the misleading tweet you posted as a complaint.
 
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