War in Ukraine

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apevol said:
its fairly easy for people who aren't shitbags to not be shitbags.

Let Europe send weapons to ukraine if they want. We can sell them those weapons. If they want to send troops and they get ****ed up it does not trigger article V.
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So give them everything? C'mon now.

Why do we need to be giving up our weapons? This is what I said earlier and you scoffed. Now you're wanting us to waste our weapons, sold or not. We have much bigger fish to worry about. Much of our weapons aren't easily replaced...
 
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I have seen video footage purporting to be of Ukrainian authorities rounding citizens up in the streets, by force, to sent them to the front lines of this conflict.

Does anyone know if those are real videos, or are they just propaganda?

TIA,

RW
 
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just bob said:
So give them everything? C'mon now.

Why do we need to be giving up our weapons? This is what I said earlier and you scoffed. Now you're wanting us to waste our weapons, sold or not. We have much bigger fish to worry about. Much of our weapons aren't easily replaced...
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I didn't say we were obligated to sell our weapons. I said we CAN.

Who said anything about all? Just what kind of weapons systems and how much do you even think we've sent so far?

And what bigger fish? China? Trump isn't going to bat for Taiwan. So what are they gonna do, invade a nuclear power across the ocean?

Are cartels going to mount a full scale war on texas? What are you talking about?
 
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apevol said:
I didn't say we were obligated to sell our weapons. I said we CAN.

Who said anything about all? Just what kind of weapons systems and how much do you even think we've sent so far?

And what bigger fish? China? Trump isn't going to bat for Taiwan. So what are they gonna do, invade a nuclear power across the ocean?

Are cartels going to mount a full scale war on texas? What are you talking about?
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You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. Now you're all over the place.

Can? Backtracking there, no need to even mention "Can". You're not a clever wordsmith.

All? You tell me, that's what you're making up.

China is our greatest enemy. They absolutely will try and take Taiwan soon, and of course won't stop there. They also have said they want to replace us in the world.

That's up to the cartels. That would be messy, but you brough it up for no reason. What are you talking about?

This ridiculous post after your news/Russia Simple Jackdom earlier. Are you on drugs?
 
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just bob said:
China is our greatest enemy. They absolutely will try and take Taiwan soon, and of course won't stop there. They also have said they want to replace us in the world.
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He wasn’t saying they won’t try to take Taiwan. He is saying Trump wouldn’t do anything to stop them, and he’s correct.
 
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just bob said:
You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. Now you're all over the place.

Can? Backtracking there, no need to even mention "Can". You're not a clever wordsmith.

All? You tell me, that's what you're making up.

China is our greatest enemy. They absolutely will try and take Taiwan soon, and of course won't stop there. They also have said they want to replace us in the world.

That's up to the cartels. That would be messy, but you brough it up for no reason. What are you talking about?

This ridiculous post after your news/Russia Simple Jackdom earlier. Are you on drugs?
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I'm backtracking? I said can in the original post mentioning weapons sales.

Tf are you talking about what I'm making up. You're the one who said all.

The minute we have microchip manufacturing in place we're dropping Tawain harder than we just did Ukraine. China is not going to mount an invasion across the pacific ocean. So now you want to start a war in the South china sea? What?

They aim to replace us financially and if we keep *****ing on our allies, they will unless we start a war. Is that what you want?

I dont know why im bothering, you don't even know what an extreme leftist is
 
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So, at this point nothing has changed in the last 2.5 years other than the U.S. appears to have pulled out and Europe is now on deck for fun. The Ukraine says they won't agree to a deal with Russia and they want da pootin to pay for it all i.e. endless war. Europeans I guess will continue???? Nobody appears to want to engage the Russians other than the U.S.

As far as I am concern the war is over as long as Trump doesn't reverse. I would imagine the neocons, Europeans and Ukrainians will continue to try and set the U.S. up for engagement and WWIII. If Trump still wants the Ukraine to come to the peace table (in my opinion who cares) than he has tools at his disposal. He can go to the security council to push a resolution for elections in the Ukraine, after which could elect to sanction the Ukrainian just like the U.S. did to Russia.

I just say let them figure it out and it will work itself out naturally and I see no problem with normalizing relations with Russia.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Thanks, Just Bob,

This will be helpful to me the next time someone talks about the "Russian Dictator Bad, Ukrainian Dictator Good."

I don't see how I can be "for" either of these murderous SOBs.
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Just remember, what they're asking for is more money from the US taxpayers to keep all of this continuing so that the Industrial Military Complex can make loads of money from an un-winnable war, and a war that at best escalates, the further the US wades into it.

The mask is off. The Dems are war-mongering war pigs.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
I have seen video footage purporting to be of Ukrainian authorities rounding citizens up in the streets, by force, to sent them to the front lines of this conflict.

Does anyone know if those are real videos, or are they just propaganda?

TIA,

RW
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I trust gas station sushi more than I trust any media coming out of Ukraine or Russia.
 
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Matt2496 said:
LOL
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Translation: "I want Ukraine to surrender because it serves Putin's interests."

There is zero likelihood that Trump cares about Eastern European lives. Conservatives wouldn't baselessly be spouting about how corrupt Zelensky is and giving Putin an absolute pass despite him being the poster child of corruption if this wasn't all a carefully orchestrated propaganda job.
 
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Ashevolle said:
Translation: "I want Ukraine to surrender because it serves Putin's interests."

There is zero likelihood that Trump cares about Eastern European lives. Conservatives wouldn't baselessly be spouting about how corrupt Zelensky is and giving Putin an absolute pass despite him being the poster child of corruption if this wasn't all a carefully orchestrated propaganda job.
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You are not working in good faith that is a strawman.

The Ukraine doesn't need to surrender, I doubt anyone has really gone that far. Its their life. If they want to fight to The Last Ukrainian... cool, they don't need my money to commit suicide.

There is zero likelihood that Trump cares about Eastern European lives.
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Seems like he cares he is willing to facilitate a deal and got someone trying to strong arm him, I would have had that midget thrown in the fireplace. I see no reason why Trump needs to be involved, its not our problem nor concern.... there isn't anything we can do for the Ukraine.

Conservatives wouldn't baselessly be spouting about how corrupt Zelensky is and giving Putin an absolute pass despite him being the poster child of corruption if this wasn't all a carefully orchestrated propaganda job.
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Our country is corrupt, which should be the focus. Its not our problem that Russia is corrupt, it is our business if we send money to the Ukraine and they are corrupt.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Why?
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I'm so confused by these guys. Heck, I say go for it. (They're not going to do that but...)

Keep our money + keep our people alive + no WWIII + entertainment = VICTORY!!!!!!

I would tell them...

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(If someone wants to commit suicide, I generally don't have an issue with it... just let me get out of the way)
 
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apevol said:
I'm backtracking? I said can in the original post mentioning weapons sales.

Tf are you talking about what I'm making up. You're the one who said all.

The minute we have microchip manufacturing in place we're dropping Tawain harder than we just did Ukraine. China is not going to mount an invasion across the pacific ocean. So now you want to start a war in the South china sea? What?

They aim to replace us financially and if we keep *****ing on our allies, they will unless we start a war. Is that what you want?

I dont know why im bothering, you don't even know what an extreme leftist is
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I already came to the bold. You've just been making everything up. Like I said, you went full Simple Jack days ago on this for some reason.
 
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tvolsfan said:
He wasn’t saying they won’t try to take Taiwan. He is saying Trump wouldn’t do anything to stop them, and he’s correct.
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Taiwan falling into the hands of the Chinese would be catastrophic. If you think China would stop there, you'd be exactly what I know you are.
 
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