Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[DC_Vol]

They are complaining because the 1.) unmasking of criminal behavior which they themselves have been supporting and 2.) they are really cutting these things which is what the loons were using to battle i.e. taxpayer funds.

They're not mad because of the lack of receipts, these people are dishonest at best.

There is immense value in showing waste to the American people. The people wailing about it or trying to tear down the effort have showed their hand.

My favorite is the notion “I want to cut government waste but not like this!”

It took decades to get where we are and now they are demanding immediate success and “receipts”. What a joke.

I understand the skepticism but have a hard time with people who can’t acknowledge the progress.

The results we should demand is a balanced budget by the deadline that DOGE has imposed on itself: 2 years. Hopefully there will be a lot of fat cut after 1.

 

[ButchPlz]

The government doesn't send you an affidavit every time they do something, the government reports virtually everything they do as hearsay. They are briefing you on a continuous basis, but you are not mad they aren't doing all this.... you are mad because they are.

Do you have some type medical problem, like when you were a kid did someone like drop a crane on your head? You're posts went from just a to mentality deranged to complete void of any type of reality.

I worked in the federal government, virtually nothing I ever did or was a part of was reported to the public.... and if it did get the public was in hearsay format.

We're pretty much explicitly disallowed from sharing data with the public, even though I work with nothing classified or confidential. When the government writes its work statements, it makes sure to cover itself under the guise of "security".

 

[NashVol11]

What evidence do you want???? I have seen affidavits rejected by the left...documents denied, laptops, diaries....seems no amount of evidence will satisfy what you don't wanna believe....do you have security clearance to see the details of the things they are *****ing down...if you need TS clearance to view them, how can they prove them without the citizens having TS clearance l..

Most of the spending DOGE is "uncovering" was publicly available on that spending website, they just rewrite everything as a "HUGE CRAZY SCANDAL for only the left" and hit send. In most cases it's not that things are too classified, they just don't want to show their own spin and trust that their followers won't ask for backup (which has been true)

 

[LSU-SIU]

We're pretty much explicitly disallowed from sharing data with the public, even though I work with nothing classified or confidential. When the government writes its work statements, it makes sure to cover itself under the guise of "security".

Absolutely.

They are providing information that the people the government doesn't want anyone to see, and these people complaining about transparency are really complaining about the new transparency.

Its very hard to have a conversation with these NPCs, they make absolutely no sense and someone like Nash I can only hope haven't reproduced.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Most of the spending DOGE is "uncovering" was publicly available on that spending website, they just rewrite everything as a "HUGE CRAZY SCANDAL for only the left" and hit send. In most cases it's not that things are too classified, they just don't want to show their own spin and trust that their followers won't ask for backup (which has been true)

If its available you, you can verify at least a brief description of where the money was going and what it was suppose to be used for. You are able to report any issues, if you wish as far as the disclosed information.

I would say we have so many scandals including what I have been writing about for some time which is funding and militarily support known terrorist individuals and groups, its hard to have a priority on what scandal we are talking about.

How about you let them do their job?

You're most likely going to get quite a few indictments and arrests, foreign and domestic.

 

[ButchPlz]

Most of the spending DOGE is "uncovering" was publicly available on that spending website, they just rewrite everything as a "HUGE CRAZY SCANDAL for only the left" and hit send. In most cases it's not that things are too classified, they just don't want to show their own spin and trust that their followers won't ask for backup (which has been true)

FPDS-NG is the only government service that is designed to publicly show spend. It is:
1. not comprehensive due to entry errors and lack of penalty for agencies not inputting data
2. not comprehensive in that it often doesn't show contract vehicle spend
3. not comprehensive in that it does not often provide details on task orders, etc. and when it does they are often generic terms i.e., "logistics services"

Practically, expecting everyone in the public to both know a federal spend website exists and then show them how to navigate said spend website to find very specific things (often titled or searchable in ways that nobody but people in the field understand) is idiotic.

 

[Orange_Crush]

It’s not like somebody pardoned their entire family or anything……before they were even charged.

It seems to me, due to Biden Precedent, all Elon really needs to do is promise that he won't discuss business with Space-X, and the worries about conflicts of interest should just evaporate.

"I do not discuss business with my son."

"Here's proof you did."

"I'm too old and senile to prosecute, but not too old and senile to preemptively pardon everyone."

"Ah. OK. Thanks."

 

[hog88]

The only receipt that is going to matter is a smaller budget next year. Preferably a balanced budget.

If they don’t get there, then I would say it’s all a dog and pony show.

^^This

 

[Orange_Crush]

Yeah. I am completely baffled by this "conflict of interest". I am not even sure what they are talking about, one guy the other day was like Elon has contracts with the government. I said, I highly doubt Elon has many if any contracts with the federal government other than his employment. These people are pure NPCs nothing of value can be gained from them. I said, even if the did, that isn't necessarily an issue.

The NPCs were giving a new gag but its just the stupid old gags that aren't working and a select few are going haywire because its not effective.

The conflict of interest is whether he gets to see payment/contract details on contracts that his company has bid on, or will bid on. That gives him a huge advantage if he's not recused himself of heading Space-X. It is a valid concern and needs to be addressed. Not just accounted for with oversight. But they need to publicly share what the oversight and accountability is.

 

[LSU-SIU]

What Elon needs to do is go through the IRS computer system and he will see two sets of books being used, one is the correct one, the other one is the one they use. As the Treasury department (IRS) is not providing due process for the determination of taxpayer status prior to the tax year. Opps. That the IRS has is off the book records they are using as official records which is a mismatch with the SSA.

 

[LSU-SIU]

The conflict of interest is whether he gets to see payment/contract details on contracts that his company has bid on, or will bid on. That gives him a huge advantage if he's not recused himself of heading Space-X. It is a valid concern and needs to be addressed. Not just accounted for with oversight. But they need to publicly share what the oversight and accountability is.

If he is basically just auditing expenses and facilitating technology usage I fail to see what that has to do with bids. I further wonder who is actually available to put in a competitive bid against Space X and whether there is a realistic alternative.

 

[Orange_Crush]

FPDS-NG is the only government service that is designed to publicly show spend. It is:
1. not comprehensive due to entry errors and lack of penalty for agencies not inputting data
2. not comprehensive in that it often doesn't show contract vehicle spend
3. not comprehensive in that it does not often provide details on task orders, etc. and when it does they are often generic terms i.e., "logistics services"

Practically, expecting everyone in the public to both know a federal spend website exists and then show them how to navigate said spend website to find very specific things (often titled or searchable in ways that nobody but people in the field understand) is idiotic.

And... this is one of the main procedural issues Musk has highlighted per why it's impossible to successfully audit them.

 

[Orange_Crush]

If he is basically just auditing expenses and facilitating technology usage I fail to see what that has to do with bids. I further wonder who is actually available to put in a competitive bid against Space X and whether there is a realistic alternative.

Imagine there's a current contract to produce thrusters for missiles. It's coming up for fresh bids next year. Elon has seen who has the contract, how much they get paid, etc...

It's no longer a blind bid for him. He has a huge advantage.

 

[NashVol11]

FPDS-NG is the only government service that is designed to publicly show spend. It is:
1. not comprehensive due to entry errors and lack of penalty for agencies not inputting data
2. not comprehensive in that it often doesn't show contract vehicle spend
3. not comprehensive in that it does not often provide details on task orders, etc. and when it does they are often generic terms i.e., "logistics services"

Practically, expecting everyone in the public to both know a federal spend website exists and then show them how to navigate said spend website to find very specific things (often titled or searchable in ways that nobody but people in the field understand) is idiotic.

Even more reason to show your work and say "these are the payments we're referring to" rather than relying on 'everyone in the public' to verify for themselves

 

[ButchPlz]

And... this is one of the main procedural issues Musk has highlighted per why it's impossible to successfully audit them.

It's why the access is critical. Contract documents are usually in SAM, if they're publicly posted at all. FPDS-NG only shows $$$ and contract numbers- I don't think it ever has the documentation. If you have access to agency data warehouses you can start doing things like seeing what contract numbers (and any sub-level task orders) have what spend and have keyword searches to search through the actual statements of work (which are required within the contracts) to actually see wtf the work is.

 

[Orange_Crush]

It's why the access is critical. Contract documents are usually in SAM, if they're publicly posted at all. FPDS-NG only shows $$$ and contract numbers- I don't think it ever has the documentation. If you have access to agency data warehouses you can start doing things like seeing what contract numbers (and any sub-level task orders) have what spend and have keyword searches to search through the actual statements of work (which are required within the contracts) to actually see wtf the work is.

Reports are that they had pre-written AI/ML that would ferret out areas of concern. It doesn't sound like a perusal of limited metadata on the internet would suffice, and that makes complete sense.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Imagine there's a current contract to produce thrusters for missiles. It's coming up for fresh bids next year. Elon has seen who has the contract, how much they get paid, etc...

It's no longer a blind bid for him. He has a huge advantage.

Why would he have access to that? Imagine I have access to it and I tell him. You do get into people that are involved in bidding process that could have impact or a conflict but that can happen with anyone.

Is Elon now in charge of government procurement bidding process?

Establishing And Implementing The President's "Department Of Government Efficiency"

I mean nobody thought it was a problem with Hillary was selling arms to known terrorist groups as SoS, and the SA government and getting the kickbacks via the Clinton Foundation. Yet, here we are discussing a theory which is impossible at this stage.

What next, what happens if Elon steals the nuclear suitcase from Trump?

 

[Orangeburst]

so cringe.

 

[ButchPlz]

Even more reason to show your work and say "these are the payments we're referring to" rather than relying on 'everyone in the public' to verify for themselves

Depending on the context they may not be able to release the full contract information until the termination goes into effect. The government has a lot of power to end a contract but there are often still terms they must abide by (i.e., 30 days notice required to terminate). The other thing is many of these may be task orders under other contracts that are staying around, making disclosing any kind of contract number a little more difficult. This untangling doesn't happen overnight.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Even more reason to show your work and say "these are the payments we're referring to" rather than relying on 'everyone in the public' to verify for themselves

I'm sure that will come, especially if it gets to the point that criminal accusations are made--like Russian collusion, hooker urine, and the like...

At the moment, they've earned enough goodwill from many for the moment. You sound sad that your side wasted their goodwill on attempted coups and such.

 

[LSU-SIU]

so cringe.

Mental illness on full display.

They are all providing the fuel for the Orange Man. The nutter they get, the stronger he appears to get.

 

[whodeycin85]

Most of the spending DOGE is "uncovering" was publicly available on that spending website, they just rewrite everything as a "HUGE CRAZY SCANDAL for only the left" and hit send. In most cases it's not that things are too classified, they just don't want to show their own spin and trust that their followers won't ask for backup (which has been true)

So then they have proof and are cutting it.... So they are providing evidence which you said they weren't.. Because it's available... As for spin.. How is this any different then the spin the left puts out.. It's not .. You just don't like it.... And your forgetting 1 simple thing... They more the"scandal" is blown up.. The more people unlike you won't accept the wasting of the funds..... So you just complaining because its smoking light in the dark corners of government.. And both sides are guilty but only one of willing to cut... So advertise that 1 side is cutting the other is actively fighting to keep wasting money... The avg voter doesn't like ir

 

[Grand Vol]

Also, Covid. Practically everyone's net worth dropped while he was in office.

Except Congress...

 

[Vol737]

so cringe.

All they’re really saying is that they believe the .gov is a jobs program and Santa Claus all wrapped into one. Actual govt efficiency and function is ancillary to them, if that.

 

[Godfatha]

so cringe.

What a bunch of loons. I'd be ashamed to associate with them.