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[NashVol11]

Keep on laughing I guess. It’s good to see you recognize the lower illegal entry rate during Trump’s presidency the report covered 2016-2017

The best you had was "keep laughing" and changing the subject lol good talk

 

[NorthDallas40]

Why do people use AI as a search engine when regular search engines are way better at it

I don’t. And it’s amazing just how wrong AI results are on most technology/physics topics I look up

 

[NorthDallas40]

The best you had was "keep laughing" and changing the subject lol good talk

Changing the subject? LMAO I pointed out the report you dropped wasn’t the fast ball you were trying to sell. Read your own link next time!

 

[NashVol11]

Changing the subject? LMAO I pointed out the report you dropped wasn’t the fast ball you were trying to sell. Read your own link next time!

Oh yes, definitely made that "corner case" theory look something other than extremely stupid. Better luck next time

 

[NorthDallas40]

Oh yes, definitely made that "corner case" theory look something other than extremely stupid. Better luck next time

Keep trying to sell it I guess. The exchange in the presser was clear. And nobody brought up expired visas. Congrats on winning a debate nobody was having but you I guess?

 

[CagleMtnVol]

So he ended birthright citizenship which goes against the Constitution, pardoned criminals, ended DEI in govt, took some peoples security clearance, and deported radicals. And that's what you're celebrating?

I fail to see how any of that does anything to help the problems facing average Americans. Inflation, grocery prices, housing being unaffordable, cheap gas.....where is all that ?

He's been in office 9 days! He's done more for Americans in those 9 days than Joe Biden did in 4 years.

 

[OHvol40]

It’s been beat to death. Most generally agree with your statement. He spoke in an absolute and that time has past. If he dies wind up ending it it’s still a big win but not the initial one he stated. But regardless anyone trying to say “yeah but you didn’t end it on day one” will look like an idiot. So broke right now with possibly flipping later.

We all (I think…) want to see an end to the war, no matter how it comes about. Human lives are being torn apart. Maybe if Trump didn’t talk like a braggadocios mob boss, he wouldn’t paint himself into corners with undeliverable promises. This one, failed.

 

[NashVol11]

Keep trying to sell it I guess. The exchange in the presser was clear. And nobody brought up expired visas. Congrats on winning a debate nobody was having but you I guess?

Yes, she was clearly wrong for a number of reasons but people don't care because she's attacking the libs. It wouldn't be a debate if people didn't get defensive

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yes, she was clearly wrong for a number of reasons but people don't care because she's attacking the libs. It wouldn't be a debate if people didn't get defensive

Good luck carrying that water on this I guess. Pace yourself it’s four years and this was presser number 1!

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Whatever news you consume has you convinced immigrants = criminals. Sad. Do you think they're eating cats and dogs too?

Once they step foot into the United States they committed a federal crime so being here illegally = criminal.

 

[NashVol11]

Good luck carrying that water on this I guess. Pace yourself it’s four years and this was presser number 1!

The fact that pointing out that someone is factually wrong is viewed as "carrying water" is why everyone is so stupid now. Football forum conversations where you're either a homer for one side or a "NegaVol" have bled over into every aspect of life

 

[NorthDallas40]

The fact that pointing out that someone is factually wrong is viewed as "carrying water" is why everyone is so stupid now. Football forum conversations where you're either a homer for one side or a "NegaVol" have bled over into every aspect of life

Oh I realize that’s your stance. Again the context was clear in the exchange of the presser. And yes you are playing a specific case. I stand pat in my statement. So yes if this is your stance for the next four years be sure to keep a weight lifting belt handy and pace yourself.

 

[NashVol11]

Oh I realize that’s your stance. Again the context was clear in the exchange of the presser.

Yes, the question of how many have criminal records is very clear and "all of them" is both wrong and a cop out. That's not a "stance," it's a fact

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yes, the question of how many have criminal records is very clear and "all of them" is both wrong and a cop out. That's not a "stance," it's a fact

Well if we are going to be pedantic let’s examine the usage of the term immigrant as applied to somebody here on a temporary visa and have overstayed their temporary visit approval? That is a fact also I’d guess? I mean… if we want to get all pedantic and parse words and all

Definition of IMMIGRANT

one that immigrates: such as; a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence; a plant or animal that becomes established in an area where it was previously unknown… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[NashVol11]

Well if we are going to be pedantic let’s examine the usage of the term immigrant as applied to somebody here on a temporary visa and have overstayed their temporary visit approval? That is a fact also I’d guess? I mean… if we want to get all pedantic and parse words and all

Definition of IMMIGRANT

one that immigrates: such as; a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence; a plant or animal that becomes established in an area where it was previously unknown… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

This is my point about homerism, she said something that just isn't true to dodge a question and you're twisting yourself into a pretzel to justify it. If 25% have a criminal record or whatever the number is then she could just say that, there shouldn't be any reason to hide and dodge the question if you think what you're doing is right regardless

 

[NorthDallas40]

This is my point about homerism, she said something that just isn't true to dodge a question and you're twisting yourself into a pretzel to justify it

Pardon me while I bust my side laughing at the irony of your last sentence.

What took place in the presser and is being extended now was she was given a loaded question related to the specific actions of the ICE actions. Then the internet legal warriors (that’s you BTW) start the parsing. It’s just an attempt to attack the credibility of the actions. Thus me saying pace yourself as this was presser 1. And while you’re at it go revisit where illegal immigration was on the concerns list in the last election and I believe I heard just yesterday it’s still a 55% majority of the population supporting deporting them. Like you said good talk!

 

[NashVol11]

Pardon me while I bust my side laughing at the irony of your last sentence.

What took place in the presser and is being extended now was she was given a loaded question related to the specific actions of the ICE actions. Then the internet legal warriors (that’s you BTW) start the parsing. It’s just an attempt to attack the credibility of the actions. Thus me saying pace yourself as this was presser 1. And while you’re at it go revisit where illegal immigration was on the concerns list in the last election and I believe I heard just yesterday it’s still a 55% majority of the population supporting deporting them. Like you said good talk!

If you believe that every undocumented immigrant has good reason to be deported then there's no reason whatsoever that it would be a "loaded question." Good effort though, maybe you'll be able to grasp at another straw to pretend wrong is right in order to argue some more

 

[NorthDallas40]

If you believe that every undocumented immigrant has good reason to be deported then there's no reason whatsoever that it would be a "loaded question." Good effort though, maybe you'll be able to grasp at another straw to pretend wrong is right in order to argue some more

LMAO nice play Mr Danth

Nice movement of the goal posts in your parting shot too. An over stayed visa isn’t an undocumented immigrant. A visa is a legal documented entry isn’t it? Words matter Mr Danth!

 

[NashVol11]

LMAO nice play Mr Danth

Nice movement of the goal posts in your parting shot too.

Lol what? You keep changing topics every other post because you can't handle the notion that the person who said "illegally breaking the laws" didn't know what she was talking about.

An over stayed visa isn’t an undocumented immigrant. Words matter Mr Danth!

They quite literally are, lol. I would say "look it up" but you didn't do so well with that last time

 

[NorthDallas40]

Lol what? You keep changing topics every other post because you can't handle the notion that the person who said "illegally breaking the laws" didn't know what she was talking about.

They quite literally are, lol. I would say "look it up" but you didn't do so well with that last time

Oh Good Lord lol. You are still winning and argument nobody is having but you. Congrats Mr Danth have a good evening I’m going to bed!

 

[NashVol11]

An over stayed visa isn’t an undocumented immigrant.

nOt An UnDoCuMeNtEd ImMiGrAnT

From DHS directly:

Most unauthorized residents either entered the United States without inspection or were admitted temporarily and stayed past the date they were required to leave.

Unauthorized Immigrants

A listing of the datasets and reports about unauthorized immigrants published by the Office of Homeland Security Statistics. Unauthorized residents either enter the country without inspection or stayed past they date they were required to leave on a temporary visa.

ohss.dhs.gov

We define the term “undocumented” broadly to include all immigrants who reside in the United States without legal status.

Defining Undocumented

Who Is Included in the Term “Undocumented”? We define the term “undocumented” broadly to include all immigrants who reside in the United States without legal status. This includes individuals who: Entered Without Inspection (also known as “EWI”) Individuals who entered the Uni

immigrantsrising.org

Undocumented immigrants, also called illegal aliens, are foreign-born people who do not possess a valid visa or other immigration documentation, because they entered the U.S. without inspection, stayed longer than their temporary visa permitted, or otherwise violated the terms under which they were admitted.

What’s the difference between legal and undocumented immigrants? | DSHS

Legal immigrants are foreign-born people legally admitted to the U.S. Undocumented immigrants, also called illegal aliens, are foreign-born people who do not possess a valid visa or other immigration documentation, because they entered the U.S. without inspection, stayed longer than their...

www.dshs.wa.gov

Undocumented immigrants are individuals who have either illegally entered the United States without inspection, or legally entered the United States with valid nonimmigrant visas but those visas have expired.

undocumented immigrant

www.law.cornell.edu

Illegal immigration is the migration of people into a country in violation of that country's immigration laws, or the continuous residence in a country without the legal right to do so.

Undocumented immigrants are sometimes called illegal aliens. If you either remain in the U.S. beyond the limits of your authorized period of stay, or if you entered the U.S. without permission, you are an undocumented immigrant or an illegal alien.

Undocumented Immigrants - Undocumented Resident

Learn about the legal rights that undocumented immigrants, sometimes called illegal aliens, hold in the US court system.

www.nycbar.org

You are still winning and argument nobody is having but you.

The above was your argument, it was just a bad one. I don't blame you for dropping it

 

[NorthDallas40]

nOt An UnDoCuMeNtEd ImMiGrAnT

From DHS directly:

Unauthorized Immigrants

A listing of the datasets and reports about unauthorized immigrants published by the Office of Homeland Security Statistics. Unauthorized residents either enter the country without inspection or stayed past they date they were required to leave on a temporary visa.

ohss.dhs.gov

Defining Undocumented

Who Is Included in the Term “Undocumented”? We define the term “undocumented” broadly to include all immigrants who reside in the United States without legal status. This includes individuals who: Entered Without Inspection (also known as “EWI”) Individuals who entered the Uni

immigrantsrising.org

What’s the difference between legal and undocumented immigrants? | DSHS

Legal immigrants are foreign-born people legally admitted to the U.S. Undocumented immigrants, also called illegal aliens, are foreign-born people who do not possess a valid visa or other immigration documentation, because they entered the U.S. without inspection, stayed longer than their...

www.dshs.wa.gov

undocumented immigrant

www.law.cornell.edu

Undocumented Immigrants - Undocumented Resident

Learn about the legal rights that undocumented immigrants, sometimes called illegal aliens, hold in the US court system.

www.nycbar.org

The above was your argument, it was just a bad one. I don't blame you for dropping it

I never looked up the technical definition of “undocumented immigrant” in any of this and all I can say is that is the stupidest and broadest definition I’ve read in a while.

And no it wasn’t my argument. It’s yours but it isn’t mine. In my entry into this you cut out an excerpt and started the “but what about expired visas” narrative.

Other than people like you actively misrepresenting illegal immigrant status, meaning immigrants here in the US not via legal immigration means, absolutely nobody is doing that.

This hot take is as stupid as the attempted loaded question at the WH presser today that landed with a thud. As the press secretary said if immigrants are here illegally they are by definition criminals.

I stated my case. A visa is a legal immigration means. That isn’t my argument. Their status changed after legal entry. That isn’t my argument.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Exactly .... and I don't have a problem with stopping this anchor baby crap. It will just have to be done with a Constitutional Amendment. An executive order won't suffice. The wording of the 14th Amendment is really not vague at all, when applied in the appropriate context of it's precedent (United States v. Wong Kim Ark 1898).

i have always understood that being born in the US, outside of the known exceptions, conferred citizenship. However, Wong may not be as definitive as precedent as many hold it to be. Wong’s parents were here legally when he was born, while an illegal border crosser is not. I.e., while they are subject to the laws while here, their legal status is questionable. I think we all agree this is headed to SCOTUS.

Would not be surprised if SCOTUS found they are citizens upon birth per Wong or a narrowly defined carveout that precludes those whose parents do not have any discernible legal status (for example, have not received or being considered for asylum), but would be surprised at a blanket ruling that children of all illegal crossers, without exception, are not citizens.

 

[FLVOL_79]

An offer to resign but keep getting paid until Sep 30 came out to all Feds yesterday. Whats being closed over is the "4 pillars" of a new efficient workforce that is discussed. One is enhanced Standards of Conduct which I am looking forward to as a senior leader. Should be easier to weed out the dead weight who doesn't take the resignation bait.

 

[GroverCleveland]

No need since I’m not playing pedantic games trying to sell someone who was here legally and then overstayed to the over whelming majority that are just bypassing the immigration system and coming illegally. Thanks for playing.

He moves goalposts so often they are mounted on wheeled dollies for convenience.