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n_huffhines said:
It is crazy how all these billionaires are kissing the ring. I'm totally fine with billionaires being political and having opinions and causes, and all that. I do not care if Soros is a liberal, the Kochs are libertarians, and Ken Griffin is a Republican. Do what you want with your money and your influence, if it's what you believe in.

What makes me completely uncomfortable is political behavior by billionaires that is the result of fear or croneyism. We're in a weird place right now. Zuck, Musk, and Bezos were all at odds with Trump 5 years ago and now they're all buddy buddy, for some odd reason.
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Trump winning the election in the manner that he did woke them up, Zuck in particular, to how out of step with public opinion they were on censorship-type issues. Getting in line with Trump is getting in line more with what public opinion wants. FB's user base is mostly boomers now, many of whom were turned off by what they saw as silencing conservative opinions.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Interesting take I heard....Zuck thinks R's are taking over and he wishes to be in good graces.
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n_huffhines said:
It is crazy how all these billionaires are kissing the ring. I'm totally fine with billionaires being political and having opinions and causes, and all that. I do not care if Soros is a liberal, the Kochs are libertarians, and Ken Griffin is a Republican. Do what you want with your money and your influence, if it's what you believe in.

What makes me completely uncomfortable is political behavior by billionaires that is the result of fear or croneyism. We're in a weird place right now. Zuck, Musk, and Bezos were all at odds with Trump 5 years ago and now they're all buddy buddy, for some odd reason.
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Lmfao “they’re kissing the ring!”

The same people who didn’t kiss the ring when Trump was in office first time, but now, any decision they make that the right would approve of is clearly just out of fear of Trump.

You had no objections to any of these companies behaving out of fear of left wing policies. You have no evidence they’re afraid of Trump nor of anything he will do. Especially given they did the opposite of what he would like the entire time he was president.

But now it’s really bad…
 
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hog88 said:
Huff's not wrong here although I doubt he understands how.
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I really don’t think this has anything to do with Trump. Zuck has been expressing his concerns for free speech and more right wing views for a number of years now.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I really don’t think this has anything to do with Trump. Zuck has been expressing his concerns for free speech and more right wing views for a number of years now.
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Maybe so but that was more PR than anything else, he's running now.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lmfao “they’re kissing the ring!”

The same people who didn’t kiss the ring when Trump was in office first time, but now, any decision they make that the right would approve of is clearly just out of fear of Trump.

You had no objections to any of these companies behaving out of fear of left wing policies. You have no evidence they’re afraid of Trump nor of anything he will do. Especially given they did the opposite of what he would like the entire time he was president.

But now it’s really bad…
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they didn't do the opposite of what Trump wants. they did exactly what Trump wants, just for the other team.
 
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05_never_again said:
Trump winning the election in the manner that he did woke them up, Zuck in particular, to how out of step with public opinion they were on censorship-type issues. Getting in line with Trump is getting in line more with what public opinion wants. FB's user base is mostly boomers now, many of whom were turned off by what they saw as silencing conservative opinions.
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They changed up before the election. Zuck was months before. Musk was years.
 
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n_huffhines said:
They changed up before the election. Zuck was months before. Musk was years.
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Musk makes sense. he has long been the target/victim of Democrat's hatred or policies. long before he ever started siding with Trump.

Zuck is a little more unexplained. he was caught working for their machine, but didn't suffer anything for it.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I really don’t think this has anything to do with Trump. Zuck has been expressing his concerns for free speech and more right wing views for a number of years now.
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He's slowly been turning in line with public opinion, and Trump's election cemented his change in stance. He's merely reacting in line with public opinion.

I know Trump had already won once before, but (especially if you were a critic of his) it could be written off since he lost the popular vote. In many circles, especially the ones they run around in, being remotely supportive of Trump was a social stigma. The longer he remained on the stage so to speak, that stigma went away.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lmfao “they’re kissing the ring!”

The same people who didn’t kiss the ring when Trump was in office first time, but now, any decision they make that the right would approve of is clearly just out of fear of Trump.

You had no objections to any of these companies behaving out of fear of left wing policies. You have no evidence they’re afraid of Trump nor of anything he will do. Especially given they did the opposite of what he would like the entire time he was president.

But now it’s really bad…
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I have evidence. It's circumstantial evidence, but it's still evidence.

Bezos pissed off his entire reader base and lost $8m in annual subscriptions in order to make nice with Trump. His people met with Trump people immediately after his stunt. A month later he's donating millions to Trump's inauguration fund.

Of course you think none of this has to do with fear or potential gain. He's just doing stuff to hurt his business with no hopes of getting it back in other areas. He's an altruist who thinks a newspaper shouldn't endorse a candidate, and that the Trump inauguration fund needed money. And the timing isn't suspicious at all. Like at all.
 
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n_huffhines said:
They changed up before the election. Zuck was months before. Musk was years.
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Was Musk ever (at least overtly) opposed to him or his ideas? He was embraced by a lefty crowd earlier in his career because he owns an electric vehicle company, but it isn't like he ever embraced leftist politics or opposed conservative ones.

Musk really seemed to begin to take a rightward political turn during the COVID lockdowns, which makes him hardly unique. He didn't like the State of California shutting down his factory. Before that, he really wasn't much of a political guy at all.
 
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LouderVol said:
Musk makes sense. he has long been the target/victim of Democrat's hatred or policies. long before he ever started siding with Trump.

Zuck is a little more unexplained. he was caught working for their machine, but didn't suffer anything for it.
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He was also hated by Trump. Nobody insulted Musk more than Trump. The left didn't side against Musk until the Twitter takeover. IDK exactly what happened, but Musk loves validation and found his fandom on the right. Making nice with Trump and forgiving the truly horrible things he said about him was good for business and ego.
 
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05_never_again said:
FB's user base is mostly boomers
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No, Facebook's user base is not mostly boomers:

Age demographics
In the US, the largest demographic of Facebook users is people aged 25–34, making up 24.2% of the user base. Millennials are also a large group of Facebook users, with 67% of people aged 18–29, 75% of people aged 30–49, and 69% of people aged 50–64.

Platform shift
Facebook is no longer considered a digital hangout for boomers. The platform has gained popularity with Gen Z through features like Reels, cross-platform integration with Instagram, Groups, gaming, and events.

Baby boomers on social media
While many baby boomers use Facebook to connect with family and friends, they are also active on other social media sites. 82.3% of baby boomers use at least one social media site, and they are sometimes called "Silver Surfers".
 
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n_huffhines said:
He was also hated by Trump. Nobody insulted Musk more than Trump. The left didn't side against Musk until the Twitter takeover. IDK exactly what happened, but Musk loves validation and found his fandom on the right. Making nice with Trump and forgiving the truly horrible things he said about him was good for business and ego.
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the public opinion of Dems didn't turn until he bought Twitter. but the DC and California policy makers were already after him long before that.

as others have pointed out Musk had major issues with California's response to Covid. Tesla never got the same treatment that other EVs got even though they were the first.

SpaceX faced a lot of issues in California as well.
 
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Depending on the business you're in (some are more insulated than others) it can be bad for business to be on the wrong side of opinons. It's like when Jordan famously quipped something along the lines of "Repblicans buy shoes too." or the Civil War ferryman's observation in the Josie Wales movie that in his line of work you need to be able to sing The Battle Hymn of The Republic and Dixie with equal enthusiasm. In the current climate there really is such a thing as "too far left" for it to matter.
 
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LouderVol said:
how are community notes different than fact checkers?

Seems like you are just crowd sourcing opinions. and on the internet I don't trust that.
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People will believe that he is making some radical change from what he is already doing. He's trying to cover his ass from being on Trump's bad side. Hopefully Trump sees right thru it.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I have evidence. It's circumstantial evidence, but it's still evidence.

Bezos pissed off his entire reader base and lost $8m in annual subscriptions in order to make nice with Trump. His people met with Trump people immediately after his stunt. A month later he's donating millions to Trump's inauguration fund.

Of course you think none of this has to do with fear or potential gain. He's just doing stuff to hurt his business with no hopes of getting it back in other areas. He's an altruist who thinks a newspaper shouldn't endorse a candidate, and that the Trump inauguration fund needed money. And the timing isn't suspicious at all. Like at all.
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It’s odd you take “doing the right thing” and turn it into “making nice with Trump”.

What if he simply realized the obvious, that major news organizations should attempt to appear neutral?

Trump was president for four years. His paper attacked Trump for four years. No, the timing isn’t suspicious. The obvious time to announce you won’t endorse a candidate is before an election
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
People will believe that he is making some radical change from what he is already doing. He's trying to cover his ass from being on Trump's bad side. Hopefully Trump sees right thru it.
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It isn't just an attempt to avoid being on Trump's bad side. He's also trying to win back parts of his user base. In 2016 and 2020 he licked his finger, stuck it up in the air, and acted in accordance with what he though the wind was telling him to do. He's doing the same thing today. The Silicon Valley/tech bro ecosystem he swims in loved it in 2016 and 2020; not as much now.

Time will tell though whether he's going to win people back or if they'll remain on the other platforms they migrated to.
 
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05_never_again said:
It isn't just an attempt to avoid being on Trump's bad side. He's also trying to win back parts of his user base. In 2016 and 2020 he licked his finger, stuck it up in the air, and acted in accordance with what he though the wind was telling him to do. He's doing the same thing today. Time will tell though whether he's going to win people back or if they'll remain on the other platforms they migrated to.
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He's a weasel regardless of his motives. He'll go right back to being the same ******* when the Dems are back in power.
 
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Brett Weinstein said during the pandemic days that "zero is a special number". In the context of the pandemic, what he meant was, as long as the number of outlets which allowed free speech surrounding the covid discussion was greater than zero, then the truth will eventually win. But if the number ever got to zero, it would be game over. Musk buying Twitter slammed the door on the door on "zero" not just surrounding the covid discussion, but all of our political discourse. Now Zuck is following suit. Looks like a wave may be building, and the progressive utopiasts are starting to squirm.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
People will believe that he is making some radical change from what he is already doing. He's trying to cover his ass from being on Trump's bad side. Hopefully Trump sees right thru it.
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Trump doesn't really care either way. Trump is just as swampy as anyone in DC. he is happy to have another sycophant.

as long as Musk is helpful to Trump, Trump will say nice things. As soon as Musk turns, Trump will turn. regardless of what policies or stances they are holding.

I think the same thing applies in reverse too. Musk is with Trump because Trump says nice things about him.
 
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LouderVol said:
Trump doesn't really care either way. Trump is just as swampy as anyone in DC. he is happy to have another sycophant.

as long as Musk is helpful to Trump, Trump will say nice things. As soon as Musk turns, Trump will turn. regardless of what policies or stances they are holding.

I think the same thing applies in reverse too. Musk is with Trump because Trump says nice things about him.
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A true bromance in the making.

BARF!!!
 
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LouderVol said:
how are community notes different than fact checkers?

Seems like you are just crowd sourcing opinions. and on the internet I don't trust that.
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I think Zuch said fact checkers were to biased...and they were biased to the left. So he is going to try something different. What X is doing is IMO, better than Facebook 'fact checkers'.

At the end of the day, people should do their own fact checking.
 
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