Should the ethics report on Gaetz be released?

[Orangeburst]

That's why I think it DOES have very bad information in it. If it did not, they'd release it, and say nothing to see here !!

The only reason not to release it is pressure from Trump. But as you say, he has enough enemies it seems likely it will eventually find it's way to the public.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Easy way to settle this.

Release it.

It will not "settle" anything.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Agreed

You know better. No matter what it says, we will never hear the end of it. If there is something bad, it will come out.

 

[Ritzwatch]

Easy way to settle this.

Release it.

Yeah. We should probably incarcerate people who were illegally searched and found with contraband, too. I mean, they are guilty, right?

What does process matter?

 

[rekinhavoc]

As Matt Gaetz faces opposition, Trump’s other DOJ picks could anchor his confirmation

“We are building an incredible team at the Department of Justice in the Trump/Vance Administration!” Gaetz said. “We can’t wait to get to work for the American People.”

justthenews.com

"Gaetz is a graduate of the William & Mary School of Law but worked only briefly in private practice before entering public office. Standing in stark contrast to his nomination, however, are those whom Trump has named to serve as his deputies."

Not qualified to be a congressman let alone AG.

Term limits people term limits.

 

[LouderVol]

See the facts below, but let the witch hunt continue ...

From the article:

NBC News had reported in October that the investigation into Gaetz had stalled, according to attorneys who have represented witnesses and people who have been subpoenaed or have spoken to investigators. The attorneys briefed about aspects of the case said the probe stalled over concerns about the credibility of two key witnesses or a lack of direct evidence implicating Gaetz, who has denied all wrongdoing.

DOJ tells Matt Gaetz that he won’t be charged in sex trafficking probe, his lawyers say

Prosecutors had spent months investigating allegations that Gaetz was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

www.nbcnews.com

you should read up on what allegedly went down, and it makes the bolded make more sense.

the partner who got arrested for sex trafficking minors had a pretty elaborate scheme. He hooked a couple pre-18 girls on drugs, money, the usual stuff. he then used those pre-18 girls to recruit other pre-18 girls. Gaetz allegedly only had sex with the first group of pre-18 year old girls. The first group of pre-18 year old girls were eventually included into the group of conspirators. and only after that was their testimony that Gaetz had sex with them called into question as some legal mumbo-jumbo mutually beneficial (but should still be illegal) consensual acts vs just pure criminal.

There are some links between Gaetz and the prosecutors who labeled the first group of pre-18 girls conspirators. the partner who is doing jail time apparently had a bunch of legal businesses as well. that had a lot of the local rich and powerful as investors. including ties to the prosecution so that he could protect himself.

because of the first group of pre-18 girls getting included, more charges than those just against Gaetz were dropped. Apparently the partner was looking at some much worse sentences until he got the first group were labeled conspirators. he wasn't able to dodge all the charges because the case went outside of the scope of just the local jurisdiction.

apparently there were calls for the prosecution to be investigated because of the above. but those investigations never happened because there was a certain Congressperson who made sure it never happened.

all of this is alleged because it hasn't been proven in court. but it reads like a bunch of criminals protecting each other.

 

[whodeycin85]

you should read up on what allegedly went down, and it makes the bolded make more sense.

the partner who got arrested for sex trafficking minors had a pretty elaborate scheme. He hooked a couple pre-18 girls on drugs, money, the usual stuff. he then used those pre-18 girls to recruit other pre-18 girls. Gaetz allegedly only had sex with the first group of pre-18 year old girls. The first group of pre-18 year old girls were eventually included into the group of conspirators. and only after that was their testimony that Gaetz had sex with them called into question as some legal mumbo-jumbo mutually beneficial (but should still be illegal) consensual acts vs just pure criminal.

There are some links between Gaetz and the prosecutors who labeled the first group of pre-18 girls conspirators. the partner who is doing jail time apparently had a bunch of legal businesses as well. that had a lot of the local rich and powerful as investors. including ties to the prosecution so that he could protect himself.

because of the first group of pre-18 girls getting included, more charges than those just against Gaetz were dropped. Apparently the partner was looking at some much worse sentences until he got the first group were labeled conspirators. he wasn't able to dodge all the charges because the case went outside of the scope of just the local jurisdiction.

apparently there were calls for the prosecution to be investigated because of the above. but those investigations never happened because there was a certain Congressperson who made sure it never happened.

all of this is alleged because it hasn't been proven in court. but it reads like a bunch of criminals protecting each other.

That's allot of people involved..seems like a conspiracy theory. Not saying it isn't true as most conspiracies have come true..just finding it hard to belief there is no criminal case there for some kinda charge.

 

[LouderVol]

That's allot of people involved..seems like a conspiracy theory. Not saying it isn't true as most conspiracies have come true..just finding it hard to belief there is no criminal case there for some kinda charge.

pretty sure the partner is in jail, or at least somewhere in the criminal process.

the rest of it is a very incestous ring of self protection. hard for there to be a criminal case when those who would be bringing the charges are allegedly involved.

and this all came out long before Gaetz was the proposed AG or even much into his political career. so its not like its some lady waiting 40 years to accuse a judge of date-rape.

there is enough stink around this whole thing where even 20 years ago he would never have been considered for any serious role. but now its all about protecting the party, so the swamp wins again.

 

[CobbVol]

you should read up on what allegedly went down, and it makes the bolded make more sense.

the partner who got arrested for sex trafficking minors had a pretty elaborate scheme. He hooked a couple pre-18 girls on drugs, money, the usual stuff. he then used those pre-18 girls to recruit other pre-18 girls. Gaetz allegedly only had sex with the first group of pre-18 year old girls. The first group of pre-18 year old girls were eventually included into the group of conspirators. and only after that was their testimony that Gaetz had sex with them called into question as some legal mumbo-jumbo mutually beneficial (but should still be illegal) consensual acts vs just pure criminal.

There are some links between Gaetz and the prosecutors who labeled the first group of pre-18 girls conspirators. the partner who is doing jail time apparently had a bunch of legal businesses as well. that had a lot of the local rich and powerful as investors. including ties to the prosecution so that he could protect himself.

because of the first group of pre-18 girls getting included, more charges than those just against Gaetz were dropped. Apparently the partner was looking at some much worse sentences until he got the first group were labeled conspirators. he wasn't able to dodge all the charges because the case went outside of the scope of just the local jurisdiction.

apparently there were calls for the prosecution to be investigated because of the above. but those investigations never happened because there was a certain Congressperson who made sure it never happened.

all of this is alleged because it hasn't been proven in court. but it reads like a bunch of criminals protecting each other.

I have read a number of articles on the case. If there is something there, then the DOJ should bring charges. The Biden administration is doing last minute pushes for their Ukraine and climate money laundering schemes so a simple DOJ case should be no problem. Unfortunately for them, this is a FL case and not in NY or DC.

We all know that given the track record of attacking their political enemies that the Biden DOJ would have brought charges if they had just a shred of hope in this case. Now as it stands, it is a good thread on DU or for a Joy Reid segment on MSNBC.

 

[LSU-SIU]

As Matt Gaetz faces opposition, Trump’s other DOJ picks could anchor his confirmation

“We are building an incredible team at the Department of Justice in the Trump/Vance Administration!” Gaetz said. “We can’t wait to get to work for the American People.”

justthenews.com

"Gaetz is a graduate of the William & Mary School of Law but worked only briefly in private practice before entering public office. Standing in stark contrast to his nomination, however, are those whom Trump has named to serve as his deputies."

Not qualified to be a congressman let alone AG.

Term limits people term limits.

Joe Biden somehow some way actually supposedly maybe graduated college and law school, apparently, I guess. I will give him credit he was a very fast speaker back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.... I mean most of it was nonsense but at least he could speak nonsense fast. I'm not sure what Joe Biden's qualifications are... I seriously doubt he could hold down any job outside of politics.



Clarence Thomas is a national treasure.

Under this threshold..... how did Obama become a member of Congress and President, how did Joe Biden do the same. Heck, horse face, supposedly she was a prosecutor, but I would love to see film of her trying an actual case.... I would have to see it to believe it.

Most of these people never had a real job in their whole life.

 

[Sandman 423]

Easy way to settle this.

Release it.

Bring it all out into the light. Congress has gotten away with hiding this kind of stuff long enough.

 

[LouderVol]

something I have wondered, doesn't congress still have to vet/approve the appointments? for the "rule followers" just have whatever report done on Congressman Gaetz retitled to be relevant towards Cabinet Member Gaetz.

 

[LouderVol]

I have read a number of articles on the case. If there is something there, then the DOJ should bring charges. The Biden administration is doing last minute pushes for their Ukraine and climate money laundering schemes so a simple DOJ case should be no problem. Unfortunately for them, this is a FL case and not in NY or DC.

We all know that given the track record of attacking their political enemies that the Biden DOJ would have brought charges if they had just a shred of hope in this case. Now as it stands, it is a good thread on DU or for a Joy Reid segment on MSNBC.

I very much believe in innocent until proven guilty. but this very much reads like any number of cases of the government not looking into the government incase they find something.

 

[McDad]

I very much believe in innocent until proven guilty. but this very much reads like any number of cases of the government not looking into the government incase they find something.

Would you have more trust in a civil investigation and trial (if it went that far)?

 

[LouderVol]

Would you have more trust in a civil investigation and trial (if it went that far)?

heck no. at least on the level of accounting I would expect in a criminal case.

IF Gaetz was found innocent (not guilty) in a criminal investigation, but held liable in a civil investigation that would not rise to the level of proof to hold him out imo.

I just want it investigated/prosecuted at a criminal level by people not tied to any of the parties. In this case there are enough shared interests for me to question the prosecution. nothing has been proven, which is why I have been trying to correctly use "allegedly".

 

[McDad]

heck no. at least on the level of accounting I would expect in a criminal case.

IF Gaetz was found innocent (not guilty) in a criminal investigation, but held liable in a civil investigation that would not rise to the level of proof to hold him out imo.

I just want it investigated/prosecuted at a criminal level by people not tied to any of the parties. In this case there are enough shared interests for me to question the prosecution. nothing has been proven, which is why I have been trying to correctly use "allegedly".

You believe the criminal investigation which was shuttered in February is corrupt?

 

[hog88]

something I have wondered, doesn't congress still have to vet/approve the appointments? for the "rule followers" just have whatever report done on Congressman Gaetz retitled to be relevant towards Cabinet Member Gaetz.

The Senate must approve

 

[LouderVol]

You believe the criminal investigation which was shuttered in February is corrupt?

depending on how you are using corrupt, yes. I think the involved are smart enough, embedded enough, to avoid most of the legal trappings of corruption in this case.

I believe a true third party investigation would find things were done in a careful manner to avoid legal pitfalls while also allowing the investigation to fail.

 

[McDad]

depending on how you are using corrupt, yes. I think the involved are smart enough, embedded enough, to avoid most of the legal trappings of corruption in this case.

I believe a true third party investigation would find things were done in a careful manner to avoid legal pitfalls while also allowing the investigation to fail.

Is there currently a pathway for an ethical 3rd party investigation?

 

[LouderVol]

Is there currently a pathway for an ethical 3rd party investigation?

I have no earthly idea.

 

[McDad]

I have no earthly idea.

Neither do I. Thought possibly there was some sort of Avenue along the same lines as an independent counsel (not the same, I know).

If you distrust what has been done and cannot find another way you trust more, how do you reconcile the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" in this instance?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Looks like Trump can appoint an Acting AG for a limited time without a vote, and extend the time for around 300 days or so. I would assume Gaetz will be there for about a year one way or another.

 

[LouderVol]

Neither do I. Thought possibly there was some sort of Avenue along the same lines as an independent counsel (not the same, I know).

If you distrust what has been done and cannot find another way you trust more, how do you reconcile the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" in this instance?

I don't think you have to be found guilty to not be appropriate/approved for a cabinet spot. those are two separate issues in my head. I had honestly forgotten the details of the case until he got appointed and someone in this forum said something that made me go back and review things.

him not be qualified (no experience as a prosecutor), and being a political creature are enough to disqualify him imo. Assuming the senate approval is purely subjective. if there are objective requirements, and those are all that are considered, and Gaetz meets them then that would change my opinion on this aspect.

 

[McDad]

I don't think you have to be found guilty to not be appropriate/approved for a cabinet spot. those are two separate issues in my head. I had honestly forgotten the details of the case until he got appointed and someone in this forum said something that made me go back and review things.

him not be qualified (no experience as a prosecutor), and being a political creature are enough to disqualify him imo. Assuming the senate approval is purely subjective. if there are objective requirements, and those are all that are considered, and Gaetz meets them then that would change my opinion on this aspect.

Understood. The salacious stuff is more icing on the cake of your opposition rather than the cake itself?

 

[volinbham]

it should be handled according to House rules. if the rules say it's released in cases like this then release it; if the rules say it's not when the person is no longer in the House then keep it private.

enough of the only release it or hide it if it helps my team stuff.