Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

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hog88 said:
They didn't have control otherwise the guy would have never made it to the rooftop.
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I disagree. They had control of the skies...which is the only control mojo mentioned and why my reply is only contextually referring to that aspect of control.
 
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hog88 said:
In this situation "control" would imply the ability to control access, it's apparent that wasn't the case. They had the ability to react after the fact which is not control.
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Control of the skies.
 
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volfanhill said:
But there were buildings further away. Did they have enough to cover that many buildings? I'm no expert so I could be off base.
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Who knows what is real at all, but I heard he was obscured by two points where the roof met and couldn't be seen by the sniper, nor could he shoot at Trump. He got rushed by the officer climbing the roof and then peeked out and went for the shot and got blasted.
 
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hog88 said:
Agreed but they can place surveillance on the property so nobody gets on the roof with a rifle.
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I don’t know enough about the layout to say that for sure. Detaining someone with a rifle obviously, yes. But detecting the person and the rifle may depend on the property lines and whether they’re legally able to be in a certain place before it became an exigency. Once someone is on the roof I think they have to investigate and try to detain, I don’t think it’s lawful or good policy to just snipe him until he opens fire.

There’s also the issue of timelines and how long they had to set up and recon and what kind of resources they had. That contribute to that.

Whether they followed agency procedure in those set-ups or deviated from it.

The scope of the role they’re being asked to play versus other incumbent campaigns.

Whether they’ve been supplied with comparable resources to other incumbent campaigns and who made that determination (which obviously would be a failure somewhere, if not).

I’m open to the idea of a colossal failure, and I agree that somebody getting a shot on the former president is a failure. It puts the ball in USSS court to answer all of those questions. It’s the first time in 43 years that they’ve ****ed up to this degree and I can see plausible answers to some of the questions that are being asked so I’m open to hearing the answers.
 
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adam.vol said:
That seems to be the story of many weak minded, yet decent kids prior to going off to college and getting brainwashed by academia. Just a few years removed of his home, he’s been radicalized by the left.
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Yeah. What is the theory, the Orange wasn't right enough?

What does it even matter?
 
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hog88 said:
Ok, they had control of the skies. That would be SOP since I'm sure it was a no fly zone during the event but what good did that do?
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I mentioned way back in the thread that they’re supposed to be using drones for these events. I believe it is SOP for the SS now. It sounds like there wasn’t one in use because it was denied. That would make me wonder if there was in fact an enforced no fly zone as well. So maybe there was zero control of the skies.
 
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hog88 said:
“Property owner won’t allow us on the property so we have to watch it from the perimeter“
”Someone is climbing up to the roof with a rifle get Orange man off stage”

Yeah it’s that simple.
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🙄 I don’t need to tell you that you can fit those rifles in a backpack.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t know enough about the layout to say that for sure. Detaining someone with a rifle obviously, yes. But detecting the person and the rifle may depend on the property lines and whether they’re legally able to be in a certain place before it became an exigency. Once someone is on the roof I think they have to investigate and try to detain, I don’t think it’s lawful or good policy to just snipe him until he opens fire.

There’s also the issue of timelines and how long they had to set up and recon and what kind of resources they had. That contribute to that.

Whether they followed agency procedure in those set-ups or deviated from it.

The scope of the role they’re being asked to play versus other incumbent campaigns.

Whether they’ve been supplied with comparable resources to other incumbent campaigns and who made that determination (which obviously would be a failure somewhere, if not).

I’m open to the idea of a colossal failure, and I agree that somebody getting a shot on the former president is a failure. It puts the ball in USSS court to answer all of those questions. It’s the first time in 43 years that they’ve ****ed up to this degree and I can see plausible answers to some of the questions that are being asked so I’m open to hearing the answers.
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I have serious doubts that the answers we get will be anything other than handwringing.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
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🚨#BREAKING: The Secret Service are blaming the local Law enforcement and says it was tasked with securing properties surrounding Trump’s rally

📌#Butler | #Pennsylvania

The Secret Service has blamed local law enforcement for failing to secure the rooftop from which gunman Thomas Matthew Crooks attempted to assassinate former President Donald Trump. They insisted that the rooftop was outside the perimeter the federal agency was responsible for protecting. Securing and patrolling the factory grounds of AGR International Inc located about 130 yards from the stage where Trump was speaking on Saturday, was the responsibility of local Pennsylvania police, according to Secret Service representative Anthony Guglielmi, as reported by the New York Times. The Secret Service was tasked only with covering the grounds where Trump’s rally took place, while local police were recruited to assist with those efforts and secure the area outside the rally.

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If true then the SS is simply incompetent.
 
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McDad said:
My post this am:
I admit I know nothing of SS tech, techniques, or SOP.

Wouldn't the SS snipers need to make sure this isnt some kid wanting to get a view of Trump with a telescope or a photographer with a telescopic lens before they start blasting?
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They have scopes. It would not be hard to see what the kid was holding.
 
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