Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

[appvol]

God no. Look at what happened when a tiny fringe believed his election tales.

What do you think would have happened with his head blown off....

I wanted call it election tales. We will never know the truth on the election but a lot stuff did look shady. Not worth getting going to the Capital to do what people did. January 6th happened because people watched cities burn and riots. They saw there were no consequences for those people.

 

[McDad]

A guy climbed on the roof with an AR in the area they identified as a risk. That's not control....

With this subject, your posting style is different than the usual. It's a tense, vulnerable, emotional situation. It is for me, too. So let me be more precise.

You said "control of the sky" in your post. I am offering my views on that aspect of control. It seemed they had control of the skies.

If you would now like to discuss control of ground, or control of buildings, control of the stage, or even control of mysterious ladders we can certainly discuss those things and I suspect we will be in agreement on most of it.

 

[davethevol]

 

[Carp]

Are you drunk? There is a plausible scenario that I’ve already laid out that a sober person of your intelligence should be able to grasp.

Private property.
If owner says “stay off my lawn,” police and USSS can’t do much of anything to limit access at that point.
Once law enforcement are alerted that someone is on the roof, it’s investigated because exigent circumstances exist to allow them on the property.
Available facts about the investigation indicate that it essentially hastens the attempt.
Once the attempt is made, secret service are free to engage.

It’s not a certainty one way or the other, but there are plausible scenarios where they did the best they could under the circumstances.

I'm sorry but there is no way this can be categorized as anything but a clear and utter failure by the security team in place.

Even if you could excuse the fact they should have been monitoring all nearby buildings with a clear line of sight. You absolutely can't excuse that by the way, but even if you could, they were made aware of the shooter's presence at least 2-3 minutes before shots were fired. I get that you don't want to shoot and kill someone who may simply be someone trying to get a better camera angle. The optics of killing an innocent person with a camera and not a gun would be beyond horrendous. I get that. I also understand you don't want to create an unnecessary panic with thousands of people in attendance. But you could have easily moved Trump off the stage in a fairly calm manner when you became of a aware of a possible threat, until you were certain if that person was indeed a threat or not.

Stop taking up for this incompetence.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

With this subject, your posting style is different than the usual. It's a tense, vulnerable, emotional situation. It is for me, too. So let me be more precise.

You said "control of the sky" in your post. I am offering my views on that aspect of control. It seemed they had control of the skies.

If you would now like to discuss control of ground, or control of buildings, control of the stage, or even control of mysterious ladders we can certainly discuss those things and I suspect we will be in agreement on most of it.

Control of the sky. You want to have the high ground for your known vulnerable areas. How did you allow someone else to access it?

The local DA has come out and said they had building access so assuming that's true, there really is no excuse for the assassin to have roof access.

Btw, local DAs name is Dick Goldinger...

 

[appvol]

Just watched that. Thought it was interesting.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

It truly is a miracle that Dems and Liberals can form complete sentences.

Now, now, Dem-Libber, don't brag about your recently learned skill, We're all proud of you, but no need to flaunt it.

 

[MontyPython]

We’ve got a soft drink security guard running the secret service! Bwaaaaaaa!

You repost complete garbage.

Pathetic.

 

[davethevol]

Watching that, I just can’t see this as anything other than willful negligence at the least.

 

[EasternVol]

They had control. Evidence is the Assassin was eliminated.
It appears they didn't exercise control timely. And from other's posts, the SS may have a return fire rather than shoot first SOP.

A return fire SOP makes no sense though if the goal is protection.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Well that's certainly an efficient way to have a good percentage of all the crazies filtered and removed from society... this time with longer sentences.

Spoken like a Good Comrade.

 

[davethevol]

A return fire SOP makes no sense though if the goal is protection.

And as Hog pointed out, SS could have at least ordered the President out of the area immediately. They were clearly aware of person with a rifle way before shots were fired.

 

[McDad]

A return fire SOP makes no sense though if the goal is protection.

Understood but I'm not sharing what makes sense to us. I'm sharing what others are offering in terms of sop inside of the SS unit

 

[McDad]

Watching that, I just can’t see this as anything other than willful negligence at the least.

Has it been verified or is it even verifiable that these two side by sides are synced up in their timing? Like do they both begin at the same moment of the day?

 

[DaddyChad]

Understood but I'm not sharing what makes sense to us. I'm sure what others are offering in terms of sop inside of the SS unit

Someone should be fired if that’s the new SOP.

 

[Carp]

Now, now, Dem-Libber, don't brag about your recently learned skill, We're all proud of you, but no need to flaunt it.

Please tell me again how Trump is like Hitler, despite 4 years of international peace and the best financial years we've ever had?

Since Biden has been in office, we have gotten involved in 2 separate Wars. Wars that the Biden Administration arguably invited to happen once the world saw the weakness and the ineptitude of what happened in Afghanistan. The Biden Administration took our rights away during COVID. The Biden Administration actively worked with media social media outlets to restrict free speech. The Biden Administration forced Americans to get a vaccination that they did not want. And the Biden Administration and DOJ has unfairly targeted political opponents.

 

[DaddyChad]

Please tell me again how Trump is like Hitler, despite 4 years of international peace and the best financial years we've ever had?

Since Biden has been in office, we have gotten involved in 2 separate Wars. Wars that the Biden Administration arguably invited to happen once the world saw the weakness and the ineptitude of what happened in Afghanistan. The Biden Administration took our rights away during COVID. The Biden Administration actively worked with media social media outlets to restrict free speech. The Biden Administration forced Americans to get a vaccination that they did not want. And the Biden Administration and DOJ has unfairly targeted political opponents.

Please stop quoting that guy. He’s a complete nut job. You’re wasting your time talking to him

 

[BreatheUT]

Oh, I get it. You and your posse ganged up on him until your snapping at his heels and provoked enough responses to get him banned. Like what you're employing with me. The Wolfpack Lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok Billie Clyde

 

[davethevol]

Has it been verified or is it even verifiable that these two side by sides are synced up in their timing? Like do they both begin at the same moment of the day?

That’s a good question. I’m not sure, but I think they are relying of the audio of the speech as their time-sync reference, which is why it sounds like an echo. It’s a millisecond or so off, but close enough.

 

[McDad]

Someone should be fired if that’s the new SOP.

Well I don't know if it's even been verified that is sop. Some of these things that we're getting as information is from people who say they worked in the organization or have some sort of knowledge of the group. It would be incredibly irresponsible for the SS to put their sop out for public viewing because then assassins could predict weak spots more readily.
If it is sop, we don't know if it is new sop or existing sop.

 

[McDad]

Please stop quoting that guy. He’s a complete nut job. You’re wasting your time talking to him

Amen!

 

[EasternVol]

Understood but I'm not sharing what makes sense to us. I'm sure what others are offering in terms of sop inside of the SS unit

I don't see how it's really SOP.

 

[McDad]

That’s a good question. I’m not sure, but I think they are relying of the audio of the speech as their time-sync reference, which is why it sounds like an echo. It’s a millisecond or so off, but close enough.

Yeah the audio would be a common point for syncing them up. I Intentionally haven't watched it because I think it would just really make me angry more than anything.

 

[LaagerVol]

Portraying the other side as unhappy it was unsuccessful is the kind of rhetoric that isn't helping things.

Lol “portraying”, as if it’s some sort of unfounded, made up narrative.

When people are making X posts and TikTok’s literally saying they are unhappy, it ceases to be a mere portrayal.

Maybe them posting actual videos SAYING they are unhappy it was unsuccessful isn’t helping things.

 

[McDad]

I don't see how it's really SOP.

If you wanted to look for it I think it was a post by Rocky Top 85 and also quoted in a post by 85 Sugar balls. I think both of those were yesterday.

Eta... lmao,
I'm doing the voice to text feature and I love how Google translated 85 sugarVol. I'm leaving it for posterity. And I hope it becomes his new nickname

@85SugarVol
I wanted to make absolutely sure you saw this. LOL