To Protect and to Serve II

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n_huffhines said:
Edit: apparently, the mayor has stepped down after the backlash from standing by their man. Good. If this is what it takes, this is what it takes.
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The state reflexively stand behind each other. The state considers us citizens as their enemy/adversary. Sooner or later, some of you people will realize that these uniformed state officers are (generally) not on your side... and that includes the military.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The state reflexively stand behind each other. The state considers us citizens as their enemy/adversary. Sooner or later, some of you people will realize that these uniformed state officers are (generally) not on your side... and that includes the military.
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The public is gradually becoming their enemy, which is why the rise in cop shootings, roadside vehicular hits when the do traffic stops, ambushes etc. I once wanted to be a cop when a kid. I was raised on Dragnet, Adam 12, Car 54, ChiPs etc. Not anymore. The attitudes of cops have become: I have a gun and a badge. That makes me god on earth. Obey me or die. If you give me lip or are a brownie, I may just kill you for fun. That and 8 times out of 10, they get away with it, even with video, eyewitness, and other evidence that would severely penalize a non-cop. At some point, people reach a saturation level, and act on their resentment. Now, with the prevalence of modern day guns, and lax regulations of ownership, I dare say, cops ain't seen nothing yet.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
The public is gradually becoming their enemy, which is why the rise in cop shootings, roadside vehicular hits when the do traffic stops, ambushes etc. I once wanted to be a cop when a kid. I was raised on Dragnet, Adam 12, Car 54, ChiPs etc. Not anymore. The attitudes of cops have become: I have a gun and a badge. That makes me god on earth. Obey me or die. If you give me lip or are a brownie, I may just kill you for fun. That and 8 times out of 10, they get away with it, even with video, eyewitness, and other evidence that would severely penalize a non-cop. At some point, people reach a saturation level, and act on their resentment. Now, with the prevalence of modern day guns, and lax regulations of ownership, I dare say, cops ain't seen nothing yet.
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The one thing that we slightly agree on.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
The public is gradually becoming their enemy, which is why the rise in cop shootings, roadside vehicular hits when the do traffic stops, ambushes etc. I once wanted to be a cop when a kid. I was raised on Dragnet, Adam 12, Car 54, ChiPs etc. Not anymore. The attitudes of cops have become: I have a gun and a badge. That makes me god on earth. Obey me or die. If you give me lip or are a brownie, I may just kill you for fun. That and 8 times out of 10, they get away with it, even with video, eyewitness, and other evidence that would severely penalize a non-cop. At some point, people reach a saturation level, and act on their resentment. Now, with the prevalence of modern day guns, and lax regulations of ownership, I dare say, cops ain't seen nothing yet.
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Are you aware of the recent study conducted by a Professor at Harvard which disproved the myth LEOs shoot 'people absorbing all the wavelengths of light' at a higher rate than 'people reflecting all the wavelengths of light'?
 
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McDad said:
Are you aware of the recent study conducted by a Professor at Harvard which disproved the myth LEOs shoot 'people absorbing all the wavelengths of light' at a higher rate than 'people reflecting all the wavelengths of light'?
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Everything has to be political with you, eh? As for your claim, there are lies, damn lies, and then there's statistics.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Everything has to be political with you, eh? As for your claim, there are lies, damn lies, and then there's statistics.
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I fail to see how a study conducted at least twice because the researcher didn't believe the data the first time is political. Furthermore, I didn't ascribe a political party to neither the researcher nor the study. I also didn't make a political angle on your post or my reply.

There's also ignorance, willful ignorance, and stubborn ignorance.
 
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McDad said:
I fail to see how a study conducted at least twice because the researcher didn't believe the data the first time is political. Furthermore, I didn't ascribe a political party to neither the researcher nor the study. I also didn't make a political angle on your post or my reply.

There's also ignorance, willful ignorance, and stubborn ignorance.
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Yeah sure, more racist than political, but to me, it's all the same thing. LEOs, it less about light emission and reflection than flat out bias, and knowing their reflecting grants them social privilege not accorded the absorbers. Never mind, we both know the rules of the game. After all, humans gonna human.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Yeah sure, more racist than political, but to me, it's all the same thing. LEOs, it less about light emission and reflection than flat out bias, and knowing their reflecting grants them social privilege not accorded the absorbers. Never mind, we both know the rules of the game. After all, humans gonna human.
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Now that you are backtracking on the political angle, I will invite you to backtrack on the racist angle. Where did I claim anything that had a racist motivation? The Professor who lead the study is a black man. And, surprise, he was attacked in the same ignorant way you are attacking me after receiving a simple question as a reply?

Where did i offer any argument that LEOs aren't biased, or prejudiced, or at minimum projecting stereotypes when they are engaged with the public?

Whether you sift through the data is up to you. I happen to think our opinions carry more credibility if they are born out of facts rather than myth or propaganda. But I am not your forum hall monitor. You can read the information I referenced if you so choose.
 
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McDad said:
Now that you are backtracking on the political angle, I will invite you to backtrack on the racist angle. Where did I claim anything that had a racist motivation? The Professor who lead the study is a black man. And, surprise, he was attacked in the same ignorant way you are attacking me after receiving a simple question as a reply?

Where did i offer any argument that LEOs aren't biased, or prejudiced, or at minimum projecting stereotypes when they are engaged with the public?

Whether you sift through the data is up to you. I happen to think our opinions carry more credibility if they are born out of facts rather than myth or propaganda. But I am not your forum hall monitor. You can read the information I referenced if you so choose.
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A Black man shot Malcolm X. Booker T. Washington was a sale put. So were Native American scouts who helped the US cavalry hunt down, kill, and imprison their own people. Personally, I don't care what hue the person is who does research, as long as it is done without bias one way or the other. We are fed so much misinformation, junk news, half-truths, sculptured lies, and Joseph Goebbels-ism, it is a wise policy to be skeptical of practically anything.
I learned that the H A R D way.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
A Black man shot Malcolm X. Booker T. Washington was a sale put. So were Native American scouts who helped the US cavalry hunt down, kill, and imprison their own people. Personally, I don't care what hue the person is who does research, as long as it is done without bias one way or the other. We are fed so much misinformation, junk news, half-truths, sculptured lies, and Joseph Goebbels-ism, it is a wise policy to be skeptical of practically anything.
I learned that the H A R D way.
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Did you express skepticism or were you patently dismissive?
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
If you find it hard to laugh at yourself, I would be happy to do it for you.
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I think my 13 years here, my humor (self deprecating, puns, etc), and the fun we have speaks for itself.

Always happy to have another laughing if the mood strikes you.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
A Black man shot Malcolm X. Booker T. Washington was a sale put. So were Native American scouts who helped the US cavalry hunt down, kill, and imprison their own people. Personally, I don't care what hue the person is who does research, as long as it is done without bias one way or the other. We are fed so much misinformation, junk news, half-truths, sculptured lies, and Joseph Goebbels-ism, it is a wise policy to be skeptical of practically anything.
I learned that the H A R D way.
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I think what McDad is doing is giving you a reason to be skeptical about your current view point based on some unbiased data he provided.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Data? Where is that data? No source was provided. Hence my skepticism.
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Do you interact with people in real life? The more you post, the more I am convinced you don't get out much.
I asked if you were aware of the study. You didn't say no. You didn't ask for a link. You made an accusation I was being political. Then, made a racist accusation. And now you claim skepticism because I didn't provide the study??? Even though you were dismissive of it initially.

Do you want the study? Will it make a difference? Do you have all your teeth?
 
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McDad said:
Do you interact with people in real life? The more you post, the more I am convinced you don't get out much.
I asked if you were aware of the study. You didn't say no. You didn't ask for a link. You made an accusation I was being political. Then, made a racist accusation. And now you claim skepticism because I didn't provide the study??? Even though you were dismissive of it initially.

Do you want the study? Will it make a difference? Do you have all your teeth?
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I bet he’s got those summer teeth…. Summer over here, summer over there
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McDad said:
Do you interact with people in real life? The more you post, the more I am convinced you don't get out much.
I asked if you were aware of the study. You didn't say no. You didn't ask for a link. You made an accusation I was being political. Then, made a racist accusation. And now you claim skepticism because I didn't provide the study??? Even though you were dismissive of it initially.

Do you want the study? Will it make a difference? Do you have all your teeth?
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Bypassing the insults, which are more cute than offensive, I choose to answer the other questions. Sure, I'd like the study. Will it make a difference? We'll see. You tried to sell it on the platform of a Black man, did it. My experience is that some of the worst, "See, even a (n) admits it: are people I call scouts. Just like the traitorous Native American scouts who helped hunt down their own people, you get some Blacks who do the same thing verbally. Tim Scott, Clarence Thomas, Booker T. and others of that ilk. So I tend to take what such people say with a steam shovel bucket of salt. On top of that, I'm aware of cop culture. Wearing Confederate flag t-shirts under their uniform. Having White Supremacy tattoos that are covered by their uniforms, leaked recordings and emails that show what they REALLY think as opposed to the official BS they spew. Receiving commemorative items for beating and killing minorities, and so on. I won't mention some of the harrowing accounts of ex-Black cops of what they saw, and participated in under the "how blue are you?" internal culture policy. So my view is studies like what you mentioned, are biased and doctored to begin with. And now you want to tell me how much light people emit dictates whether they get shot or otherwise mistreated. There's always some contrived excuse to claim "See, we're innocent of your misconceptions about us.: Which all too often contradicts reality. So will it make a difference? We'll see. I still think your insults are cute, though. Unimaginative, but still cute.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Bypassing the insults, which are more cute than offensive, I choose to answer the other questions. Sure, I'd like the study. Will it make a difference? We'll see. You tried to sell it on the platform of a Black man, did it. My experience is that some of the worst, "See, even a (n) admits it: are people I call scouts. Just like the traitorous Native American scouts who helped hunt down their own people, you get some Blacks who do the same thing verbally. Tim Scott, Clarence Thomas, Booker T. and others of that ilk. So I tend to take what such people say with a steam shovel bucket of salt. On top of that, I'm aware of cop culture. Wearing Confederate flag t-shirts under their uniform. Having White Supremacy tattoos that are covered by their uniforms, leaked recordings and emails that show what they REALLY think as opposed to the official BS they spew. Receiving commemorative items for beating and killing minorities, and so on. I won't mention some of the harrowing accounts of ex-Black cops of what they saw, and participated in under the "how blue are you?" internal culture policy. So my view is studies like what you mentioned, are biased and doctored to begin with. And now you want to tell me how much light people emit dictates whether they get shot or otherwise mistreated. There's always some contrived excuse to claim "See, we're innocent of your misconceptions about us.: Which all too often contradicts reality. So will it make a difference? We'll see. I still think your insults are cute, though. Unimaginative, but still cute.
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There is no point in attempting to converse with you like normal people do. You are muddled in your thinking and inarticulate in your expression. You make up things which didn't happen and are revisionist with each successive reply.

The study follows. Read it. Ignore it. Contact the researcher, Dr Fryer, and tell him what a naughty black man he is...I do not care. Your adherence to bias and myth is of no concern to me.

It was updated in 2018. I do not know if this link is the updated study.

Study in the news:
www.nytimes.com

Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings (Published 2016)

Contradicting conventional wisdom: When it comes to the most lethal form of force, a study finds no racial bias.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
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McDad said:
There is no point in attempting to converse with you like normal people do. You are muddled in your thinking and inarticulate in your expression. You make up things which didn't happen and are revisionist with each successive reply.

The study follows. Read it. Ignore it. Contact the researcher, Dr Fryer, and tell him what a naughty black man he is...I do not care. Your adherence to bias and myth is of no concern to me.

It was updated in 2018. I do not know if this link is the updated study.

Study in the news:
www.nytimes.com

Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings (Published 2016)

Contradicting conventional wisdom: When it comes to the most lethal form of force, a study finds no racial bias.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Well, since you have pre-decided there is no point in conversing with me, I won't bother to read your links. You have decided already doing so is a lost cause, so rather than contest you on that, I will follow your preconceived dictates. I WAS willing to rad it and see if it resulted in me modifying my views, but... Seems like a peaceful way to break off this back and forth between us, don't you agree?
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Well, since you have pre-decided there is no point in conversing with me, I won't bother to read your links. You have decided already doing so is a lost cause, so rather than contest you on that, I will follow your preconceived dictates. I WAS willing to rad it and see if it resulted in me modifying my views, but... Seems like a peaceful way to break off this back and forth between us, don't you agree?
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You made a mistake which is refuted by a study. I thought that might be of interest to you for your own edification.

This is my fault. I made some assumptions about you which were generous, at best. You are not a likable person...I don't think you want to be likable or have the capacity to understand what a likable person is. I'd rather focus on the friends I've made here, have some fun, and develop an understanding about how other people think.

Best wishes in whatever you pursue.
 
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McDad said:
You made a mistake which is refuted by a study. I thought that might be of interest to you for your own edification.

This is my fault. I made some assumptions about you which were generous, at best. You are not a likable person...I don't think you want to be likable or have the capacity to understand what a likable person is. I'd rather focus on the friends I've made here, have some fun, and develop an understanding about how other people think.

Best wishes in whatever you pursue.
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Your fault is that instead of saying, here are the links to the study, you said you wanted. You insultingly pre-decided to tell how I should respond to your links. The kindest thing for me to do was to just break off the discussion. But you now pull Batman assessment on me.
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You win. Here's your commemorative decal.
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McDad said:
You made a mistake which is refuted by a study. I thought that might be of interest to you for your own edification.

This is my fault. I made some assumptions about you which were generous, at best. You are not a likable person...I don't think you want to be likable or have the capacity to understand what a likable person is. I'd rather focus on the friends I've made here, have some fun, and develop an understanding about how other people think.

Best wishes in whatever you pursue.
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I'm hoping he actually reads it and is just trolling. (He's quite openly and unambiguously stated he does a lot of this for "fun") Otherwise not wanting to read something he actually asked for that even HE admitted could have potentially "resulted in me modifying my views" pretty much defines willful ignorance.
 
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hndog609 said:
I'm hoping he actually reads it and is just trolling. (He's quite openly and unambiguously stated he does a lot of this for "fun") Otherwise not wanting to read something he actually asked for that even HE admitted could have potentially "resulted in me modifying my views" pretty much defines willful ignorance.
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I've never understood how trolling is 'fun". I'd much rather have shared fun as opposed to "fun for me but not for thee".
 
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