2024 Presidential Race

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BowlBrother85 said:
Or ....

3. Biden will a fair election election just as he did in 2020. There is no "again," because there is no evidence to support the contention that the 2020 election results were anything but legitimate.

The Real Clear Polling averages show Trump with an average lead of 1.5% .... which is about where it has been for a month now. Also, you should drop this notion that Michelle Obama has any interest in running for public office. She has dispelled that many times. She is not a politician. It is only far right Republicans who even bring her up. It's so stupid.

I do agree that Biden is uninspiring. I wish he would step aside .... but it's not happening, and there is no mechanism to force his hand on such a thing. There are ridiculous things which get posted here.
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I'm not going to suggest you look at some of the analysis of the MOE and discrepancy issues with the polling over the last eight years because you won't look at it.

But if said analysis is correct in how far off the polling numbers are, you'd better buckle up, buttercup. It's gonna get nasty for Biden.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm not going to suggest you look at some of the analysis of the MOE and discrepancy issues with the polling over the last eight years because you won't look at it.

But if said analysis is correct in how far off the polling numbers are, you'd better buckle up, buttercup. It's gonna get nasty for Biden.
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I remember the 2022 mid-term Red Wave that was supposed to happen according to the polls .... but didn't, Buttercup.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That's a ridiculous argument ... and when Trump says that it was "rigged," he is obviously talking about votes having been changed from him to Biden. It wasn't rigged. An unpopular President lost a free and fair election.
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I don't care how Trump defines it. There was a coordinated effort to beat him with trad media, social media, fbi, etc. It's pretty well documented and obvious if you were paying attention
 
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If you honestly believe that Donald Trump would ever admit that he lost a fair election ..... then you are more stupid than any adult should be. His track record is well-established on the matter.
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't care how Trump defines it. There was a coordinated effort to beat him with trad media, social media, fbi, etc. It's pretty well documented and obvious if you were paying attention
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That is just as ridiculous as Hillary Clinton's claim that Russia's disinformation campaign on social media played a role in her defeat. It's a lame argument.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm not going to suggest you look at some of the analysis of the MOE and discrepancy issues with the polling over the last eight years because you won't look at it.

But if said analysis is correct in how far off the polling numbers are, you'd better buckle up, buttercup. It's gonna get nasty for Biden.
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Speaking of Margin of Error, and it's value ....


Just watch and listen to the first 7 seconds of this video with Sean Hannity. He actually gets something right here, which the rest of his right-wing network missed.

Based on what the polls said in the fall of 2022, Fox News hosts over-hyped potential Republican Party gains.



 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is just as ridiculous as Hillary Clinton's claim that Russia's disinformation campaign on social media played a role in her defeat. It's a lame argument.
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How long and how many major news outlets pushed the collusion narrative? Zuckerberg admitted the fbi came to him. Twitter removed any story detrimental to the dem campaign. Tara Reade story ever go anywhere? These aren't made up events
 
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utvolpj said:
How long and how many major news outlets pushed the collusion narrative? Zuckerberg admitted the fbi came to him. Twitter removed any story detrimental to the dem campaign. Tara Reade story ever go anywhere? These aren't made up events
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Like I said, thinking that had anything to do with how people voted is just a lame excuse for losing .... just like the lame excuses Hillary Clinton used for losing in 2016.
 
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85SugarVol said:
How many State legislatures changed their voting laws?
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Done in accordance with their state Constitutions. Those changes did not necessarily have to go through the state legislatures, as Republicans tried to claim. Nor are such changes even out of the ordinary ..... The 2020 Trump Campaign could have objected to such changes with lawsuits prior to the election .... they did not. It's just a lame excuse for losing.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Done in accordance with their state Constitutions. Those changes did not necessarily have to go through the state legislatures, as Republicans tried to claim. Nor are such changes even out of the ordinary ..... The 2020 Trump Campaign could have objected to such changes with lawsuits prior to the election .... they did not. It's just a lame excuse for losing.
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Sounds like you belong to a cult. 😂
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Like I said, thinking that had anything to do with how people voted is just a lame excuse for losing .... just like the lame excuses Hillary Clinton used for losing in 2016.
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How can you think it didn't? Outright lies of collusion pushed for years had no effect on the election process? Coordinated removal of stories detrimental to the Biden family by all social media (with a warning from the fbi)? Come on, you're not this dumb
 
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utvolpj said:
How can you think it didn't? Outright lies of collusion pushed for years had no effect on the election process? Coordinated removal of stories detrimental to the Biden family by all social media (with a warning from the fbi)? Come on, you're not this dumb
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LOL. That is ridiculous. No, those things don't influence how people vote .... anymore than the Russian social media disinformation campaign in 2016 changed the way people voted. That is so weak.

.... and nobody was still talking about the Mueller probe in the fall of 2020. That is such a lame excuse. It's pathetic. Trump lost because of his own abrasive behavior.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Done in accordance with their state Constitutions. Those changes did not necessarily have to go through the state legislatures, as Republicans tried to claim. Nor are such changes even out of the ordinary ..... The 2020 Trump Campaign could have objected to such changes with lawsuits prior to the election .... they did not. It's just a lame excuse for losing.
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Whoa. Touched a nerve there.

Yea, they followed the law - and changed it. Which is their prerogative.

But they (legally) changed those voting laws for a reason - they felt they would benefit.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Whoa. Touched a nerve there.

Yea, they followed the law - and changed it. Which is their prerogative.

But they (legally) changed those voting laws for a reason - they felt they would benefit.
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Just as Republicans try various means aimed towards reducing voter participation, Democrats try to increase it.
 
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www.cbsnews.com

Donald Trump accuses Ted Cruz of fraud in Iowa, calls for new election

The Republican candidate went on a Twitter tirade Wednesday against the winner of the Iowa GOP caucuses
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Trump has longstanding history of calling elections 'rigged' if he doesn’t like the results

It's been days since President-elect Joe Biden was declared the winner of the 2020 presidential race, and still, President Donald Trump has not accepted it.
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^^^^ Trump will claim that he was the victim of fraud after every election .... and his supporters will unconditionally believe it every time. There is no explanation for such devotion, except that MAGA is a Cult of Personality. I see it here every day. You people are suckers.
 
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