2024 Transfer Portal Thread

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bleedingTNorange said:
I don’t think Cade, Mabar or Boswell likely see a consistent role, so down to 10 players. I think Gainey, especially if he doesn’t show a more consistent shot, won’t sniff anywhere close to 20+ minutes if you add guy like Lanier, Tyson, Dubar & Milicic if they shoot how they’ve shot in recent years.

Zeigler 30/Gainey 10
Lanier 20/Mashack 20
Tyson 25/Carr 15
Milicic 20/Dubar 20
Okpara 20/Estrella 20

That’s a simplistic view, but if you had those 10 I see Zeigler getting probably 34mpg, so take that from 200, that’s 166 remaining. Someone will be odd man out, whether that’s Gainey, or Carr, or Mashack or someone else, who knows, but that’s 8 people for 166 minutes, essentially 21mpg. If you’re winning it’s not an issue, if you aren’t winning then it becomes an issue.

With that said, and as I’ve said, too many moving parts and voices in these kids ears for me to think we go 4/4 to close. However as we’ve all laid out, if you can go 3/4 really with any combo you’re sitting in a really good spot for next year.
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That would be the way to make it work. But you and I clearly disagree on whether Tyson can play the 3 or not lol. Maybe Barnes is recruiting him to play some at the 3. But still I just don’t it as a reality in a lot of matchups in SEC.

If Tyson is logging 25 minutes at the 3 I think you got two problems. 1. Too slow defensively and 2. Not enough ball handling and ability to create offensively.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Would these be the accurate positions for players who are potentially coming in? Or did I miss something?
1-2: Lanier
1-2: Boswell
3: Tyson
3: Dubar
4: Igor
5. Okafor

If so i can see Dubar not being happy
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I could see Dubar and Tyson possibly playing 4 if we go small, but yes, mostly 3. Igor I could see playing 3-5 because of his athletic ability, but mostly 4. Everywhere else looks good. It definitely gives us options.
 
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StPeteVFL said:
That would be the way to make it work. But you and I clearly disagree on whether Tyson can play the 3 or not. Maybe even Barnes is recruiting him to play some 3. But still I just don’t it as a reality in a lot of matchups in SEC.

If Tyson is logging 25 minutes at the 3 I think you got two problems. 1. Too slow defensively and 2. Not enough ball handling and ability to create offensively.
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I think you’re forgetting he was a sophomore that has continued to improve and likely will do so with the benefit of being at a better school with better facilities. DK was night and day difference from early on to the last month of the season. And yes, the staff is selling him on playing 3, because he’s fully aware that that’s what he is at the next level.
 
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StPeteVFL said:
Oh I agree and that’s why I said you take both. I wouldn’t complain. Just saying it would be really crowded at the 3 and 4 positions imo so ultimately I’d be shocked if Tyson elected to come here if Igor jumps in first.

Hypothetical lineup by average minutes played at each position…

1: ZZ 32, Gainey 8
2: Lanier 23, Gainey 12, Mashack 5
3: Mashack 18, Carr 16, Dubar 6
4: Igor 20, Dubar 15, Phillips 5
5: Felix 20, Estrella 20

Total minutes:
ZZ 32
Lanier 23
Mashack 23
Gainey 20
Carr 16
Dubar 21
Igor 20
Phillips 5
Felix 20
Estrella 20

How do you fit Tyson into that lineup? There’s only 200 minutes to go around lol
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I doubt any of the following Lanier, Dubar or Milicic would be happy to transfer and get only with 23, 21 and 20 minutes respectively. Especially as one-year rentals. Seems like that could become a locker room issue quickly. Even Mashack, who is the team first guy may not be happy with only 23. Sort of the danger of over reliance on the portal and we have seen this play out at other schools at times. Guys who you recruited out of high school start looking around too. Got to balance player development and doing enough in the portal to make sure you remain competitive.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I think you’re forgetting he was a sophomore that has continued to improve and likely will do so with the benefit of being at a better school with better facilities. DK was night and day difference from early on to the last month of the season. And yes, the staff is selling him on playing 3, because he’s fully aware that that’s what he is at the next level.
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I believe you. And he would probably get a shot there. But imo when push comes to shove it wouldn’t last, especially with Barnes and how much he values defense.

Agree DK improved defensively big time. But DK was a way better athlete the day he stepped on campus. Apples to oranges imo. Also, DK had the luxury of having one of the most versatile 4 man defensively in the county on the floor with him most of the time. It’s a different story with Igor and Dubar at the 4. Like I said collectively the team would be too slow imo and I just don’t see it in SEC play. Maybe I’m wrong.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It depends on who we get…you forget last year we saw JJJ and JM both play some minutes at the 5, Dubar is bigger than both.
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Dubar is not bigger than JJJ. Dubar is listed at 6’8, but as we’ve heard he’s more like 6’5-6’6 and weighs 10lbs less than JJJ. I don’t remember JM playing any 5 at all? Nevertheless, Dubar is a good athlete, but not a JM level athlete. Both will see minutes at multiple positions, I just don’t see either at the 5. jmo
 
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csheaton said:
Dubar is not bigger than JJJ. Dubar is listed at 6’8, but as we’ve heard he’s more like 6’5-6’6 and weighs a little less than JJJ. I don’t remember JM playing any 5 at all? Nevertheless, Dubar is a good athlete, but not a JM level athlete. Both will see minutes at multiple positions, I just don’t see either at the 5. jmo
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He’s not 6’5” or 6’6”, he measured in bigger than JJJ
 
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To play devil's advocate a bit here just for some fun. Let's say we end up getting Lanier, Igor, and Tyson. And let's say it causes one of our returning guys like Mashack to lose minutes (or anyone else).

Do we drag Barnes for the perception of potentially lying to his returning players, the same way some on the board drag Aidoo and Awaka for possibly lying? I feel like those scenarios would be basically the same
 
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volsarelife1 said:
To play devil's advocate a bit here just for some fun. Let's say we end up getting Lanier, Igor, and Tyson. And let's say it causes one of our returning guys like Mashack to lose minutes (or anyone else).

Do we drag Barnes for the perception of potentially lying to his returning players, the same way some on the board drag Aidoo and Awaka for possibly lying? I feel like those scenarios would be basically the same
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What would the lie be? Do you think he told those guys we wouldn’t add any transfers?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
He’s not 6’5” or 6’6”, he measured in bigger than JJJ
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Ok, so I’ve seen JJJ listed at 6’6-6’7 224 lbs. There was chatter on volnation last week that Dubar measured closer to 6’5 when he visited. That may or may not be true, but he is still 10-12 lbs lighter than JJJ. If he is a legit 6’8 it’s not a big deal, but if he is indeed more like 6’6 212 he is not bigger.
 
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StPeteVFL said:
That would be the way to make it work. But you and I clearly disagree on whether Tyson can play the 3 or not lol. Maybe Barnes is recruiting him to play some at the 3. But still I just don’t it as a reality in a lot of matchups in SEC.

If Tyson is logging 25 minutes at the 3 I think you got two problems. 1. Too slow defensively and 2. Not enough ball handling and ability to create offensively.
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Tyson is a 3 perhaps exclusively in my opinion. Now he would benefit from our S&C program but he wouldn't need to play the 4. Milicic (if he signs) and Dubar would primarily be at 4. Dubar could play either. Even Mashack could play the 4 in a smaller lineup before Tyson. Phillips also a 4.
 
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One of Dubars old coaches is a former Vol and he's 6'6" ... He says Dubar is taller than him and 6'8" is more like it.... Worth noting, he's a close CRB friend and confirmed that Coach Rick Barnes is one of the only coaches who will not bump the height like most all do.
 
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volsarelife1 said:
To play devil's advocate a bit here just for some fun. Let's say we end up getting Lanier, Igor, and Tyson. And let's say it causes one of our returning guys like Mashack to lose minutes (or anyone else).

Do we drag Barnes for the perception of potentially lying to his returning players, the same way some on the board drag Aidoo and Awaka for possibly lying? I feel like those scenarios would be basically the same
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Nope. The coach’s job now is to fill the roster with the best players he can. If the incumbents can’t compete, so be it. No time for development anymore because there is no guarantee anybody is going to be around past one year. You’ve got people celebrating getting players who are on their third school in three seasons. Next it will be players who have changed schools every year of their eligibility. Looking forward to the first guy that goes 4 for 4.

That’s the code of the mercenary. Buy the best soldiers you can get. It’s all about winning and the money and to hell with sentimentality and developing relationships. That only counts in Hallmark movies.
 
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