War in Ukraine

[volbound1700]

If those numbers were remotely true, they would be sitting in Moscow. If the Ukrainians were killing Russians at a 1:10-20 ratio than they would be able to destroy the whole Russian army by now.

Its a huge win for those pretending a lie is the Truth.

You don't realize the SIZE of both forces. Ukraine is winning the war of attrition but it is still only a small piece of both forces. The total deaths in 2 years of warfare between both is smaller than single battles in World War II for example. Stalingrad alone outstrips the death in this war by 4 to 5x.

I think what both are hoping for is a collapse of war support on the home front.

EDIT: I am also not sure of your argument about my numbers as I have showed the opposite that Russia has significantly more resources and the fact that Russia hasn't overrun more of Ukraine by now is shocking.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You don't realize the SIZE of both forces. Ukraine is winning the war of attrition but it is still only a small piece of both forces. The total deaths in 2 years of warfare between both is smaller than single battles in World War II for example. Stalingrad alone outstrips the death in this war by 4 to 5x.

I think what both are hoping for is a collapse of war support on the home front.

You do realize that is not material to discussion as the Ukraine is saying they only lost 31,000 troops and are posting Russian losses at nearly 500,000. If they can kill at 1:10-20 they would have already taken Russia.

What you are doing is exposing the lie. I didn't make all this up.

EDIT: I am also not sure of your argument about my numbers as I have showed the opposite that Russia has significantly more resources and the fact that Russia hasn't overrun more of Ukraine by now is shocking.

The numbers don't make sense, its WWI battle tactics - slow grind. Not sure what is surprising. The U.S. couldn't beat cave dwelling goat herders with $1-2 trillion dollars. These aren't goat herders.

 

[volbound1700]

You do realize that is not material to discussion as the Ukraine is saying they only lost 31,000 troops and are posting Russian losses at nearly 500,000. If they can kill at 1:10-20 they would have already taken Russia.

Even if they are true, the Russian Army has Millions. It is insane to think you overrun Moscow.

Hitler invaded Russia with over 12 Million men and did NOT take Moscow after one of the most successful blitzkrieg pushes into Russia. What you are saying about Ukraine taking Moscow makes no sense.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Even if they are true, the Russian Army has Millions. It is insane to think you overrun Moscow.

Hitler invaded Russia with over 12 Million men and did NOT take Moscow after one of the most successful blitzkrieg pushes into Russia. What you are saying about Ukraine taking Moscow makes no sense.

If one is killing 1:10-20 than the millions get reduced very rapidly, the Ukrainian army was somewhere around a million at the start of the war.

Not sure what your point is... its called a lie. I didn't make the lie. Its insane to promote the lie(s), yet they do.

 

[volbound1700]

If one is killing 1:10-20 than the millions get reduced very rapidly, the Ukrainian army was somewhere around a million at the start of the war.

Not sure what your point is... its called a lie. I didn't make the lie. Its insane to promote the lie(s), yet they do.

Again, your posts make 0 sense. To overrun a nation as vast as Russia, would take heavy offensive capabilities including air superiority, significant mobile infantry, and millions of men.

There is literally only one military that could take Moscow (like you said) and that is the United States. Even then, the United States would probably need significant help from NATO members as well as a draft/conscription and massive military production to do such a feat.

Ukraine's army is primarily designed to fight a defensive war. Even if the casualty rating is correct (it seems a off), that doesn't mean Ukraine is going to be able to successful invade Russia. That is an impossible objective and has nothing to do with the war. Ukraine has no desire to launch such an offensive and, frankly, isn't capable of it.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Again, your posts make 0 sense. To overrun a nation as vast as Russia, would take heavy offensive capabilities including air superiority, significant mobile infantry, and millions of men.

Not if you are killing people 1:10-20. You're trying to explain the how, but if you were correct there wouldn't be any Russians in the Ukraine right now.

To get to a 1:10-20 you would have to have vast resources, air superiority, etc. Obviously they have all they need yet nobody in Moscow, heck, they're going backwards.

I never said it makes sense, it makes sense if they are able to do all this... they would be in moscow. If you believe the numbers, the vast majority of Russia's working army is gone.

Its called a lie, I didn't make the lie.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The numbers don't make sense, its WWI battle tactics - slow grind. Not sure what is surprising. The U.S. couldn't beat cave dwelling goat herders with $1-2 trillion dollars. These aren't goat herders.

It is amazing the amount of trash talking these guys pop off about Russia fighting a conventional ground war when the US can't even beat the Houthis.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Not if you are killing people 1:10-20. You're trying to explain the how, but if you were correct there wouldn't be any Russians in the Ukraine right now.

To get to a 1:10-20 you would have to have vast resources, air superiority, etc. Obviously they have all they need yet nobody in Moscow, heck, they're going backwards.

I never said it makes sense, it makes sense if they are able to do all this... they would be in moscow. If you believe the numbers, the vast majority of Russia's working army is gone.

Its called a lie, I didn't make the lie.

Let's assume the the 500,000 Russian KIA number is legit. That means that the Russians also have 1.5 - 2 million injured/missing. If that were true, Putin wouldn’t be winning elections with 87% of the vote and Moscow would be on fire right now. Their economy would also be in free fall and they wouldn't be able by the respect or cover from China, Iran or anyone else.

Putin flew into the UAE and KSA a few months ago and was greeted like a triumphant emperor. Blinken and Biden go to the ME and are treated with contempt.

 

[BeardedVol]

It is amazing the amount of trash talking these guys pop off about Russia fighting a conventional ground war when the US can't even beat the Houthis.

The US could invade and occupy Yemen, and sit there for as long as we chose to, just like we did in Afghanistan, but we have no need or desire to invade Yemen.

 

[LouderVol]

If one is killing 1:10-20 than the millions get reduced very rapidly, the Ukrainian army was somewhere around a million at the start of the war.

Not sure what your point is... its called a lie. I didn't make the lie. Its insane to promote the lie(s), yet they do.

yes you did.

No one but you is claiming a 1:20 k/d ratio in favor of the ukrainians.

you are the only one linking the Russian losses from one source and comparing it to the Ukrainian DEATHS from another source.

You are the only one saying Ukraine should be in Moscow based on this one source of Russian losses. The one source that doesn't comment on Ukrainian losses.

you have completely made up an argument that no one is making but you so you can joust at windmills.

 

[volfanhill]

yes you did.

No one but you is claiming a 1:20 k/d ratio in favor of the ukrainians.

you are the only one linking the Russian losses from one source and comparing it to the Ukrainian DEATHS from another source.

You are the only one saying Ukraine should be in Moscow based on this one source of Russian losses. The one source that doesn't comment on Ukrainian losses.

you have completely made up an argument that no one is making but you so you can joust at windmills.

It's a repeat of another thread he was most strident in. That thread alone proves he's a dishonest broker and not to be engaged with

 

[dalton_vol]

you called them "emotional, fragile, children".

that is name calling.

Well, its more of a description...

 

[hndog609]

Not if you are killing people 1:10-20. You're trying to explain the how, but if you were correct there wouldn't be any Russians in the Ukraine right now.

To get to a 1:10-20 you would have to have vast resources, air superiority, etc. Obviously they have all they need yet nobody in Moscow, heck, they're going backwards.

I never said it makes sense, it makes sense if they are able to do all this... they would be in moscow. If you believe the numbers, the vast majority of Russia's working army is gone.

Its called a lie, I didn't make the lie.

Why would anyone (literally anyone, not just you) assume a ratio like that (which let's assume for the sake of argument is correct) could be maintained during an advance into Russia proper as opposed to holding home ground? Regardless of what one thinks of the veracity of X claimed kill ratio to extrapolate it in the way you suggest silly. (Your first sentence taken alone would make for a better argument)

 

[LSU-SIU]

yes you did.

No one but you is claiming a 1:20 k/d ratio in favor of the ukrainians.

you are the only one linking the Russian losses from one source and comparing it to the Ukrainian DEATHS from another source.

You are the only one saying Ukraine should be in Moscow based on this one source of Russian losses. The one source that doesn't comment on Ukrainian losses.

you have completely made up an argument that no one is making but you so you can joust at windmills.

The Ukrainians are claiming 31,000 lost troops while posting losses to the Russians of nearly 500,000. Both of which are most likely absurd lies.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Why would anyone (literally anyone, not just you) assume a ratio like that (which let's assume for the sake of argument is correct) could be maintained during an advance into Russia proper as opposed to holding home ground? Regardless of what one thinks of the veracity of X claimed kill ratio to extrapolate it in the way you suggest silly. (Your first sentence taken alone would make for a better argument)

Oh I just accept as - we'll take your numbers and move on. If the Ukrainians have only taken 31,000 losses after 2+ years well, all that weapons went somewhere than because the Army probably could calculate within a range of the number of deaths per shell.

The whole thing is absurd on a massive level.

 

[LSU-SIU]

It's a repeat of another thread he was most strident in. That thread alone proves he's a dishonest broker and not to be engaged with


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How so? (You said I was dishonest) I think the Truth is you are dishonest which is why I have already called you out multiple times.

 

[MG1968]

Can you put a price on freedom?

-Megadeth

Peace sells, but who’s buying?

 

[LouderVol]

The Ukrainians are claiming 31,000 lost troops while posting losses to the Russians of nearly 500,000. Both of which are most likely absurd lies.

Link to the same source providing both numbers?

you are conflating two different sources together, providing two separate pieces of data, and trying to claim they are saying the same thing.

the 31k is Ukrainian DEAD from Zelensky. The Kiev Independent is listing Russian casualties, wounded and dead. and even says it needs to be confirmed.

I agree both are lies. however, until you can provide better information, its pointless to outright lie and say its being claimed as imminent victory. because none of the sources are saying that.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Link to the same source providing both numbers?

you are conflating two different sources together, providing two separate pieces of data, and trying to claim they are saying the same thing.

the 31k is Ukrainian DEAD from Zelensky. The Kiev Independent is listing Russian casualties, wounded and dead. and even says it needs to be confirmed.

I agree both are lies. however, until you can provide better information, its pointless to outright lie and say its being claimed as imminent victory. because none of the sources are saying that.

No I just take them all as true.

I am not really providing any information, just using whatever data someone wants to provide.

 

[turbovol]

This is excellent value for our Kick Russian ASS dollars!

 

[LSU-SIU]

This is excellent value for our Kick Russian ASS dollars!

If they destroyed 87% of their ground forces they would probably be in Serbia right now. If they did all that, they wouldn't need more funds.

 

[LouderVol]

No I just take them all as true.

I am not really providing any information, just using whatever data someone wants to provide.

well then you probably take the Russians for their word, they are still only claiming 3k dead. Somehow they haven't lost any more troops after the first 2 months of the war. outstanding isn't it?

according to the Russian numbers of their own 3k dead, the 31k dead Ukrainians would fit right in with your estimates of how the favorable K ratio the Russians are claiming. if anything you should be thanking Zelensky for confirming how bad it is going for Ukraine.

because you believe everyone and just consume everything you find on the internet.

 

[LSU-SIU]

well then you probably take the Russians for their word, they are still only claiming 3k dead. Somehow they haven't lost any more troops after the first 2 months of the war. outstanding isn't it?

Oh I wouldn't believe that if that is what they are claiming, but they're not the ones taking my money and providing lies at the same time.

There is no reason for the Ukraine to ask for more funds if they are winning. If they only have 31,000 troop losses, I have no idea how the U.S. could help... the u.S. couldn't do that.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Let's assume the the 500,000 Russian KIA number is legit. That means that the Russians also have 1.5 - 2 million injured/missing. If that were true, Putin wouldn’t be winning elections with 87% of the vote and Moscow would be on fire right now. Their economy would also be in free fall and they wouldn't be able by the respect or cover from China, Iran or anyone else.

Putin flew into the UAE and KSA a few months ago and was greeted like a triumphant emperor. Blinken and Biden go to the ME and are treated with contempt.

I always took the "losses" to mean kia+wounded+missing. If they are talking just KIA, yeah, you would be talking 1-2 million logically speaking total based on most other similar type wars iirc.

Most of this never made sense. If $60 billion got them in the position they are in now, exactly how is another say $20-60 billion going to help at this point? As far as I can see, they have most of the weapon systems they had before minus they probably are running out of anti-aircraft systems. There is no weapon system that is going to be sent over there to really help.

Nobody has laid out an actual plan to win the war and how it can be realistically be achieved. Eventually the meat is going to run out like the shells.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

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