Israel vs Palestinians

[Vol737]

Sure. But it isn't one sided. We saw tons of idiots at the Capitol On 1/6. They are morons too

No disagreement there. People just let their emotions get them too far out over their skis without asking themselves “should I be doing this?”

 

[EasternVol]

She/they/It is a piece of work! Who knew Bakersfield could pass EO’s and mandates to make everything perfect around the globe?

Bakersfield's where the Illuminati hang out. They can do it.

 

[turbovol]

Israel is very good at playing dumb Americans/christians/MAGA with its moral high ground nonsense as it continues its
steady 60-year-program of stealing Palestinian land. Fact.

Revealed: Israel has sped up settlement-building in East Jerusalem since Gaza war began

Exclusive: Government ministries and offices behind most contentious of projects, which will create thousands of housing units

www.theguardian.com

 

[LouderVol]

I do have a question for anyone, but figure @Orangeslice13 may know better.

what is driving the expansion of Israel (outside of the war itself)?
1. Is it an actual market force, like there are Jews in Israel without proper housing and the land is needed to house them? Are they out of arable land and NEED Palestine for farms or other crucial infrastructure?

2. Is the current population fine, but there is some push to bring the Diaspora home? An Israeli home for every Jew in the world?

3. Is it just that Palestinian land is cheaper than Israeli land? and its the path of least financial resistance for Jews?

4. Is it just some desire to be the only/main one in control of the Holy Land? Or something else that would fall under zionism?

5. Is it simply because they have a dangerous neighbor, and the real drive is for safety, and the expansion is just an unintended benefit because there is a new vacuum that no one else is "allowed" to use?

From what I have read its some combination of 3, 4, 5. But I am curious if there are other factors, and how much of a part they would play. My guess is 3/4/5 makes up about 80% of the reason, and everything else falls into the other 20%. My understanding is that Netanyahu is definitely more in the Zionism reasoning, but I know there are several counter parties with their own drivers.

 

[hog88]

I do have a question for anyone, but figure @Orangeslice13 may know better.

what is driving the expansion of Israel (outside of the war itself)?
1. Is it an actual market force, like there are Jews in Israel without proper housing and the land is needed to house them? Are they out of arable land and NEED Palestine for farms or other crucial infrastructure?

2. Is the current population fine, but there is some push to bring the Diaspora home? An Israeli home for every Jew in the world?

3. Is it just that Palestinian land is cheaper than Israeli land? and its the path of least financial resistance for Jews?

4. Is it just some desire to be the only/main one in control of the Holy Land? Or something else that would fall under zionism?

5. Is it simply because they have a dangerous neighbor, and the real drive is for safety, and the expansion is just an unintended benefit because there is a new vacuum that no one else is "allowed" to use?

From what I have read its some combination of 3, 4, 5. But I am curious if there are other factors, and how much of a part they would play. My guess is 3/4/5 makes up about 80% of the reason, and everything else falls into the other 20%. My understanding is that Netanyahu is definitely more in the Zionism reasoning, but I know there are several counter parties with their own drivers.

Where is Palestine?

 

[McDad]

Where is Palestine?

It's in Texas. You wouldn't like it or be welcomed there.

 

[hog88]

It's in Texas. You wouldn't like it or be welcomed there.

Must be why the land is so cheap.

 

[LouderVol]

Where is Palestine?

the area where the government of Israel isn't in control, but claims anyway.

 

[hog88]

the area where the government of Israel isn't in control, but claims anyway.

You mean the Israeli territory Israel allowed Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to control?

 

[theFallGuy]

well said

Privileged young people in West celebrate terror thugs for kicks

Since Oct. 7, myself and others in the Iranian community have been unsettled by an anxious awareness of how radicalized Westerners are inching dangerously close to support for the Islamic Republic.

nypost.com

 

[Velo Vol]

what is driving the expansion of Israel (outside of the war itself)?
1. Is it an actual market force, like there are Jews in Israel without proper housing and the land is needed to house them? Are they out of arable land and NEED Palestine for farms or other crucial infrastructure?

If you google settlements it doesn't appear much farming is going on

 

[LouderVol]

You mean the Israeli territory Israel allowed Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to control?

considering they are having to use force to retake it, I don't think "allow" currently applies.

 

[LouderVol]

If you google settlements it doesn't appear much farming is going on

I don't think its any one thing. Could be farming. Could be access to well water, could be needed expansion to make sure the israeli systems can function properly. May just be some weird piece of geography that is currently stopping existing Israeli utilities.

 

[Velo Vol]

I don't think its any one thing. Could be farming. Could be access to well water, could be needed expansion to make sure the israeli systems can function properly. May just be some weird piece of geography that is currently stopping existing Israeli utilities.

As far as the land use goes, wouldn't Israel have the same issue all other populated areas face? How much more land do you "need" when you can build dense/vertically, if needed?

 

[Ritzwatch]

I do have a question for anyone, but figure @Orangeslice13 may know better.

what is driving the expansion of Israel (outside of the war itself)?
1. Is it an actual market force, like there are Jews in Israel without proper housing and the land is needed to house them? Are they out of arable land and NEED Palestine for farms or other crucial infrastructure?

2. Is the current population fine, but there is some push to bring the Diaspora home? An Israeli home for every Jew in the world?

3. Is it just that Palestinian land is cheaper than Israeli land? and its the path of least financial resistance for Jews?

4. Is it just some desire to be the only/main one in control of the Holy Land? Or something else that would fall under zionism?

5. Is it simply because they have a dangerous neighbor, and the real drive is for safety, and the expansion is just an unintended benefit because there is a new vacuum that no one else is "allowed" to use?

From what I have read its some combination of 3, 4, 5. But I am curious if there are other factors, and how much of a part they would play. My guess is 3/4/5 makes up about 80% of the reason, and everything else falls into the other 20%. My understanding is that Netanyahu is definitely more in the Zionism reasoning, but I know there are several counter parties with their own drivers.

If these are my only choices, I would say that the impression I had when I visited last year would be some combination of options 4 and 5.

 

[hog88]

considering they are having to use force to retake it, I don't think "allow" currently applies.

Allow applies perfectly. Israel allowed Hamas to rule Gaza, Hamas bit the hand that fed it and now they must be eliminated.

 

[LouderVol]

As far as the land use goes, wouldn't Israel have the same issue all other populated areas face? How much more land do you "need" when you can build dense/vertically, if needed?

I guess that is what I am trying to figure out.

have the Israeli's out grown the areas they control?
is it "simply" a convenience thing? so on and so forth.

 

[LouderVol]

If these are my only choices, I would say that the impression I had when I visited last year would be some combination of options 4 and 5.

I definitely didn't mean to imply these were the only options, or even correct at all. I was just trying to think of the what the largest contributing factors are.

If you have another idea feel free to share. again, I am generally meaning their expansion outside of the war, what is the cause to Israel's peaceful expansion?

 

[LouderVol]

Allow applies perfectly. Israel allowed Hamas to rule Gaza, Hamas bit the hand that fed it and now they must be eliminated.

until they are dug out, I don't think it applies.

you back a badger into a hole on your property, you may own the land, but you don't control that hole until you get rid of the badger. doesn't matter if the badger was there first, came after you, you were ok with it living for a while, was dropped off by a neighbor, or whatever. that hole isn't yours at the moment.

 

[hog88]

until they are dug out, I don't think it applies.

you back a badger into a hole on your property, you may own the land, but you don't control that hole until you get rid of the badger. doesn't matter if the badger was there first, came after you, you were ok with it living for a while, was dropped off by a neighbor, or whatever. that hole isn't yours at the moment.

Hamas is more akin to a rat than a badger.

 

[LouderVol]

Hamas is more akin to a rat than a badger.

whatever they are, they are a rabid animal backed into a corner.

 

[hog88]

whatever they are, they are a rabid animal backed into a corner.

Hopefully soon to be exterminated like all rabid animals should be.

 

[PKT_VOL]

I do have a question for anyone, but figure @Orangeslice13 may know better.

what is driving the expansion of Israel (outside of the war itself)?
1. Is it an actual market force, like there are Jews in Israel without proper housing and the land is needed to house them? Are they out of arable land and NEED Palestine for farms or other crucial infrastructure?

2. Is the current population fine, but there is some push to bring the Diaspora home? An Israeli home for every Jew in the world?

3. Is it just that Palestinian land is cheaper than Israeli land? and its the path of least financial resistance for Jews?

4. Is it just some desire to be the only/main one in control of the Holy Land? Or something else that would fall under zionism?

5. Is it simply because they have a dangerous neighbor, and the real drive is for safety, and the expansion is just an unintended benefit because there is a new vacuum that no one else is "allowed" to use?

From what I have read its some combination of 3, 4, 5. But I am curious if there are other factors, and how much of a part they would play. My guess is 3/4/5 makes up about 80% of the reason, and everything else falls into the other 20%. My understanding is that Netanyahu is definitely more in the Zionism reasoning, but I know there are several counter parties with their own drivers.

It's a confluence of factors; security, religious entitlement, and growth expansion. Different factions of Israel have different motivating factors.

 

[KB5252]

As far as the land use goes, wouldn't Israel have the same issue all other populated areas face? How much more land do you "need" when you can build dense/vertically, if needed?

Denser cities actually result in more need and premium being placed on surrounding land to sustain it. It's needed and used..... Just not necessarily for settlement.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I do have a question for anyone, but figure @Orangeslice13 may know better.

what is driving the expansion of Israel (outside of the war itself)?
1. Is it an actual market force, like there are Jews in Israel without proper housing and the land is needed to house them? Are they out of arable land and NEED Palestine for farms or other crucial infrastructure?

2. Is the current population fine, but there is some push to bring the Diaspora home? An Israeli home for every Jew in the world?

3. Is it just that Palestinian land is cheaper than Israeli land? and its the path of least financial resistance for Jews?

4. Is it just some desire to be the only/main one in control of the Holy Land? Or something else that would fall under zionism?

5. Is it simply because they have a dangerous neighbor, and the real drive is for safety, and the expansion is just an unintended benefit because there is a new vacuum that no one else is "allowed" to use?

From what I have read its some combination of 3, 4, 5. But I am curious if there are other factors, and how much of a part they would play. My guess is 3/4/5 makes up about 80% of the reason, and everything else falls into the other 20%. My understanding is that Netanyahu is definitely more in the Zionism reasoning, but I know there are several counter parties with their own drivers.

I’ll get this later