War in Ukraine

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Russia is a pathetic excuse for a country. Their citizens and supporters like the twin morons here have *zero* ability to think independently. Feel bad for them.
 
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LouderVol said:
not really. we would jump in and fight if any of those nations were attacked. doesn't matter where our men are based the moment the first Russian crosses the border.

Not sure if this is 100% true, but looking at a map Poland looks bigger than Latavia, Lithuania, and Estonia combined. also closer, better access, better infrastructure, and more space to operate in. for noncombat settings that is what you want.
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Would we? All Putin has to do is threaten nuclear war and the “not our problem” crowd will fold like a deck of cards.

Not sure what your second point is addressing exactly.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
Would we? All Putin has to do is threaten nuclear war and the “not our problem” crowd will fold like a deck of cards.

Not sure what your second point is addressing exactly.
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Are you really that dumb? If a NATO country is attacked we are treaty bound to come to their aid.
 
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hog88 said:
Are you really that dumb? If a NATO country is attacked we are treaty bound to come to their aid.
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You think the major NATO countries are risking nuclear to protect Estonia? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but “treaty bound,” who is really going to enforce that?
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
Would we? All Putin has to do is threaten nuclear war and the “not our problem” crowd will fold like a deck of cards.

Not sure what your second point is addressing exactly.
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not most in this thread. I won't pretend to speak for the idiots in DC or Trump.

you were making our number of deployed troops in Poland a meaningful comparison to how we would support them in a defensive war against Russia vs other nations with less troops. We are stationed in Poland because its more centrally located, easier to access for our supplies, and far bigger. all important things for nations not at war. not because they are the one nation we would readily support.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
You think the major NATO countries are risking nuclear to protect Estonia? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but “treaty bound,” who is really going to enforce that?
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Yes. The second NATO fails to react to an article 5 event the organization is done. What’s the point of NATO if there is no reaction?
 
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LouderVol said:
not most in this thread. I won't pretend to speak for the idiots in DC or Trump.

you were making our number of deployed troops in Poland a meaningful comparison to how we would support them in a defensive war against Russia vs other nations with less troops. We are stationed in Poland because its more centrally located, easier to access for our supplies, and far bigger. all important things for nations not at war. not because they are the one nation we would readily support.
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First point - Fair and agreed.

Second point - Look at when we opened our first permanent bases and started rotating units there. It’s very recent. Also look at what kind of units we are rotating to Poland. All those things you said may be true, but let’s be real, our purpose there is as deterrent to Russia.
 
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hog88 said:
Yes. The second NATO fails to react to an article 5 event the organization is done. What’s the point of NATO if there is no reaction?
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There is no point. My point is, do we really believe our politicians are going to send troops to the Baltics and risk a nuclear war? I mean, there is no right answer, I realize we’re just wargaming this. I just think there is a reality where Putin tests NATO’s actual resolve.
 
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volgr said:
The Uniparty is pro-ugliness in all of its forms. They despise the good, the true and the beautiful. It is best described as an atheistic death cult.
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There are aspects of the uniparty, but on the whole, the dem party is the way more evil party
 
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MontyPython said:
If you say so. I'm not a Democrat.

But I definitely am anti-Trump.
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He's not worse than biden. You provide any policy that Trump passed or signed that was extreme. He signed a bloated spending bill that the dems loved. That's the most extreme he did
 
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dalton_vol said:
He's not worse than biden. You provide any policy that Trump passed or signed that was extreme. He signed a bloated spending bill that the dems loved. That's the most extreme he did
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Ahhhh the forest through the trees...

#1: Subverting the 2020 election​

#2: Inciting an insurrection​

#3: Abusing the bully pulpit​

#4: Politicizing the Justice Department​

#5: Obstructing the Mueller investigation​

#6: Abusing the pardon power​

#7: The Ukraine affair and cover-up​

#8: Loyalty oaths and personalizing government​

#9: Firing whistleblowers and truth-tellers​

#10: Profiting off the presidency​

 
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MontyPython said:
Ahhhh the forest through the trees...

#1: Subverting the 2020 election​

#2: Inciting an insurrection​

#3: Abusing the bully pulpit​

#4: Politicizing the Justice Department​

#5: Obstructing the Mueller investigation​

#6: Abusing the pardon power​

#7: The Ukraine affair and cover-up​

#8: Loyalty oaths and personalizing government​

#9: Firing whistleblowers and truth-tellers​

#10: Profiting off the presidency​

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I have no problem admitting I’m on the left and would dislike Trump even if he wasn’t undemocratic human trash.
 
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This. x1000.

"This war will end exactly as Western politicians decide. If we give Ukraine what it needs to win, it will win."

-Philip Breedlove, former Supreme Allied Commander Europe
 
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MontyPython said:
This. x1000.

"This war will end exactly as Western politicians decide. If we give Ukraine what it needs to win, it will win."

-Philip Breedlove, former Supreme Allied Commander Europe
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What do they need to win?

Pretty vague and open ended statement.
 
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hog88 said:
What do they need to win?

Pretty vague and open ended statement.
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I mean, to be fair, it’s just a quote, he’s not going to go into a full blown logistical breakdown on “what they need to win.” Even if he did know, best not to give Russia free intelligence on what may be coming.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
I mean, to be fair, it’s just a quote, he’s not going to go into a full blown logistical breakdown on “what they need to win.” Even if he did know, best not to give Russia free intelligence on what may be coming.
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😂

The guy is just spouting propaganda.
 
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hog88 said:
Good, start selling weapons and material to Europe and let them provide the aid.
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I really do wish you guys were more interested in making widgets (outside of MIC widgets), power plants, refineries, roads, bridges, etc here in America than worrying about weapons to our "allies".
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
Stopping aid to Ukraine doesn’t solve anything. That aid will just end up going to Poland and/or the Baltics later on, and we’ll be in the same situation just with Russians closer to American troops. “It’s not our business”…until it is.
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???

(looks at a map)

What am I missing here?
 
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