War in Ukraine

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#76,751
volgr said:
The situation is bleak for Ukraine. Russia is making gains all across the contact line, Ukraine is falling back into defensive positions that are weaker than the ones they left, man power is drying up and equipment is drying up. This is what demilitarization looks like.

Welcome to western foreign policy in 2024.

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And yet even today they are more militarized than they were at the onset. Talk about a failed narrative.
 
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Stopping aid to Ukraine doesn’t solve anything. That aid will just end up going to Poland and/or the Baltics later on, and we’ll be in the same situation just with Russians closer to American troops. “It’s not our business”…until it is.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
Stopping aid to Ukraine doesn’t solve anything. That aid will just end up going to Poland and/or the Baltics later on, and we’ll be in the same situation just with Russians closer to American troops. “It’s not our business”…until it is.
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Putin is not going to attack a NATO country which would result in invoking article 5.
 
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#76,760
WestTennesseeVol said:
Stopping aid to Ukraine doesn’t solve anything. That aid will just end up going to Poland and/or the Baltics later on, and we’ll be in the same situation just with Russians closer to American troops. “It’s not our business”…until it is.
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Who told you that? Hopefully not someone benefitting from the flow of funds
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
This line of thinking assumes Putin makes rational decisions (he doesn’t.)

Regardless, the aid will still happen, if only as a continued Russian deterrence.
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If Putin wanted to attack a NATO country, he has had plenty of justification to do so. He has actually done everything he can to prevent such escalation.
 
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volgr said:
If Putin wanted to attack a NATO country, he has had plenty of justification to do so. He has actually done everything he can to prevent such escalation.
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He tried to join nato and was told no by Clinton admin. He said as much in tucker interview, but that has been well known for years. Dave Smith has brought it up several times in his debates and podcasts.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
This line of thinking assumes Putin makes rational decisions (he doesn’t.)

Regardless, the aid will still happen, if only as a continued Russian deterrence.
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I fully believe that somewhere in the upper echelons of the Russian military there are enough generals that know attacking NATO ends their gravy train.
 
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hog88 said:
I fully believe that somewhere in the upper echelons of the Russian military there are enough generals that know attacking NATO ends their gravy train.
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More likely they know it would lead to mutually assured destruction. It is the option of absolute last resort.
 
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hog88 said:
Yeah, they will be mired in an insurgency for years.
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Not likely. Russia will make the consequence for such action not worth it. Most Ukrainians are trying to get out of being mobilized. Those that are left dont want to fight Russia and will likely welcome a peace deal.
 
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utvolpj said:
Except the only people saying it's an option are those with something to gain. You honestly think Putin attacks nato?
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I honestly think it’s a possibility. Anyone saying Putin definitely will or won’t do something is just hoping what they want to happen will happen.
 
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#76,774
hog88 said:
I fully believe that somewhere in the upper echelons of the Russian military there are enough generals that know attacking NATO ends their gravy train.
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And there are enough people willing to make general to do whatever Putin asks of them.

But fair point.
 
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KB5252 said:
I don't think so. They started with very little.

Have Russia's military capabilities been reduced significantly in your opinion?
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Again, false. Ukraine did not start with very little. They had a good amount of Western equipment along with old Soviet equipment. Their soldiers were well trained as well.

Russia's Black Sea fleet has taken a hit but overall their ability to wage and sustain war is better than it has been in a long time.
 
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