2024 Presidential Race

[norrislakevol]

Where are you getting the $500B number? Most have it under $200B and that includes state expenditures

Border Crisis Costs American Taxpayers $451 Billion Annually, House GOP Report Claims | National Review

The latest committee findings come as the House considers whether to advance or block Marjorie Taylor Greene’s impeachment resolution of Alejandro Mayorkas.

www.nationalreview.com

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/camarota-testimony.pdf

The last article estimates a 68K deficit per immigrant over their lifetime. Yeah...they are sooo worth it. I believe over 1,100 per year, per household.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[utvolpj]

Border Crisis Costs American Taxpayers $451 Billion Annually, House GOP Report Claims | National Review

The latest committee findings come as the House considers whether to advance or block Marjorie Taylor Greene’s impeachment resolution of Alejandro Mayorkas.

www.nationalreview.com

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/camarota-testimony.pdf

The last article estimates a 68K deficit per immigrant over their lifetime. Yeah...they are sooo worth it. I believe over 1,100 per year, per household.

Likely very inflated and not a net cost. Also that's a 2 year figure not one

found that nearly half a trillion dollars is being lost in the healthcare, law enforcement, education, housing, and other sectors due to an influx of illegal immigration in the past two years.

Every other estimate I've seen of the net impact is under $150B

 

[jmacvols1]

Trump would be at the back of the pack on my list too. He failed during Covid and is mostly responsible for the inflation we have now.

what color is the sky in the world you live in?

 

[midnight orange]

what color is the sky in the world you live in?

I know the color of the sky in your world is orange.

 

[utvolpj]

what color is the sky in the world you live in?

What was so wrong? "Mostly" is a bit much but he owns a huge part of the inflation. The covid assessment is spot on

 

[midnight orange]

What was so wrong? "Mostly" is a bit much but he owns a huge part of the inflation. The covid assessment is spot on

I think mostly is apt. Here’s the figures on spending and debt increase.

	Donald Trump	$6,700,491,178,561.60	33.1%

Joe Biden	$2,499,993,043,258.10	8.8% 8.8% 8.8%

 

[utvolpj]

I think mostly is apt. Here’s the figures on spending and debt increase.

	Donald Trump	$6,700,491,178,561.60	33.1%

Joe Biden	$2,499,993,043,258.10	8.8% 8.8% 8.8%

No idea where that comes from but those aren't correct

 

[midnight orange]

No idea where that comes from but those aren't correct

That was Investopedia. This is USA Today.
What are the correct numbers?

President Joe Biden Years served 2021 – present National debt contribution $1.84 trillion Percentage increase 6.33%

President Donald Trump Years served 2017 – 2021 National debt contribution $8.2 trillion Percentage increase 40.43%

 

[Orangeburst]

That was Investopedia. This is USA Today.
What are the correct numbers?

President Joe Biden Years served 2021 – present National debt contribution $1.84 trillion Percentage increase 6.33%

President Donald Trump Years served 2017 – 2021 National debt contribution $8.2 trillion Percentage increase 40.43%

Those are wrong..very wrong

 

[midnight orange]

Those are wrong..very wrong

Okay. What are the correct numbers? When you dump +3.5 trillion into the economy and shut it down it’s going to have far reaching consequences. This was on Trump and not the current idiot in charge.

 

[hog88]

Imo … middle American women will que up in droves to vote for him.

Nah, they’re much smarter than you give them credit for

 

[midnight orange]

Nah, they’re much smarter than you give them credit for

“Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”

H. L. Mencken

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

End of day 1/19/21: 27,752,835,868,445.35

End of day 1/19/17: 19,944,429,217,106.77

End of day 2/16/24: 34,267,230,736,108.38

Trump added 7.8 trillion in 48 months (162.5B per month)

Biden added 6.5 trillion in 37 months (175.7B per month)

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Debt to the Penny | U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data

Debt to the Penny is the total debt of the U.S. government and is reported daily. It is made up of intragovernmental holdings and debt held by the public.

fiscaldata.treasury.gov

 

[Orangeburst]

End of day 1/19/21: 27,752,835,868,445.35

End of day 1/19/17: 19,944,429,217,106.77

End of day 2/16/24: 34,267,230,736,108.38

Trump added 7.8 trillion in 48 months (162.5B per month)

Biden added 6.5 trillion in 37 months (175.7B per month)

you cant look at it that way necessarily…depends on when money is appropriated and FY starts on Oct 1 of previous year..really a mess to determine without budgets, but Joe would normally be on hook for most of 2025.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

you cant look at it that way necessarily…depends on when money is appropriated and FY starts on Oct 1 of previous year..really a mess to determine without budgets, but Joe would normally be on hook for most of 2025.

True, but you get general idea that Biden hasn't controlled spending at all...

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

you cant look at it that way necessarily…depends on when money is appropriated and FY starts on Oct 1 of previous year..really a mess to determine without budgets, but Joe would normally be on hook for most of 2025.

It was 28,754,708,782,950 on 10/16/21.

28 months later, it is 5.5 billion higher or almost $200 billion per month.

 

[Orangeburst]

True, but you get general idea that Biden hasn't controlled spending at all...

yea..Biden had 1.8-2.0 last year, depending on accounting. I saw a 200B or so deferment for 2024 from last year, so the game continues,

 

[midnight orange]

It was 28,754,708,782,950 on 10/16/21.

28 months later, it is 5.5 billion higher or almost $200 billion per month.

Does that include interest rate increases on the debt which theoretically no president has control of? If I remember correctly, interest rates didn’t really start increasing until Biden was in office?

 

[Orangeburst]

Really..Congress has as much or more to blame for all these deficits imo.

 

[midnight orange]

Really..Congress has as much or more to blame for all these deficits imo.

True but there is a sizable contingent of Trump supporters that seem oblivious to the fact that he is one of the primary architects of the current inflation mess.

 

[Orangeburst]

True but there is a sizable contingent of Trump supporters that seem oblivious to the fact that he is one of the primary architects of the current inflation mess.

Im not arguing that..dang covid bs. I think people overlook supply chain issues are responsible as well. Deficit Spending is still sky high, but inflation has abatted some what.

 

[Orangeburst]

Anti-Trump Burnout: The Resistance Says It’s Exhausted

In 2017 they donned pink hats to march on Washington, registering their fury with Donald Trump by the hundreds of thousands. Then they flipped the House from Republican control, won the presidency and secured a surprisingly strong showing in the 2022 midterm elections, galvanized by their...

news.yahoo.com

interesting read

 

[VolTull]

Imo … middle American women will que up in droves to vote for him.

Middle American Democratic women. High drool factor.