War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
Dictators usually dont step down from power in accordance with law.
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yeah, how much is sad law worth when he can just retake power after taking a sabbatical?

But fine, lets say he wasn't a dictator in 2008. but here in 2024 he is, after rewriting the Constitution so that he can stay in power.

and rewriting their Constitution so that he can stay in power is EXACTLY what a dictator would do.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A whole lost of VN on here agreeing that Putin is behind this and is pure evil.... yet not consistently applying the standard to Trump's failure to even comment on it, much less condemn it.
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dude grow the eff up. Take Trump out of your mouth for 2 minutes and you will be much happier. I promise you.
 
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volgr said:
You mean the last guy who killed Russian troops and threatened military coup? Yeah, of course he was killed in a plane crash. That is a no brainer.
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after they made up, and let bygones be bygones? Prizoghin was alive longer AFTER the coup, than the coup itself. it also wasn't his first plane ride that got shot down.

if he had died in the coup it would have 100% made sense and backed up your point. but that is not at all what happened.

funny to watch you and Ras constantly spin things. when it was happening you were adamant it wasn't a real coup, and used the early end as proof. then when the leader gets killed you are back here claiming it was a very real coup. spin spin spin.
 
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hog88 said:
Russia (outside of nukes) isn't a threat to Poland or the other NATO Balkin states. Yes, if Putin went completely insane and attacked one it would be bloody but it wouldn't last long.

BTW if you look at the NATO required spending, it's only the Baltic States, Poland, GB and the US meeting the required amount of defense spending.
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bloody is enough. think of our mindset, I would imagine it mirrors most of Europe's. we have no stomach for a bloody war. I think they assumed, at least the public, that those types of wars would no longer exist in Europe, now they had an ugly reality to address.

and even if it didn't last long, nations are still going to want to be ready for it. if they aren't it wouldn't be so short. I doubt Germany would have been able to stand for long. a lot of the other nations would have a similar approach. big support at first, then it slowly slips away until/unless they are directly threatened.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah, how much is sad law worth when he can just retake power after taking a sabbatical?

But fine, lets say he wasn't a dictator in 2008. but here in 2024 he is, after rewriting the Constitution so that he can stay in power.

and rewriting their Constitution so that he can stay in power is EXACTLY what a dictator would do.
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Did he follow Russian law when he amended the Constitution?
 
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LouderVol said:
after they made up, and let bygones be bygones? Prizoghin was alive longer AFTER the coup, than the coup itself. it also wasn't his first plane ride that got shot down.

if he had died in the coup it would have 100% made sense and backed up your point. but that is not at all what happened.

funny to watch you and Ras constantly spin things. when it was happening you were adamant it wasn't a real coup, and used the early end as proof. then when the leader gets killed you are back here claiming it was a very real coup. spin spin spin.
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They "made up"? You know this how? Were there conditions? If there were, did Prizoghin follow them? Unlike Navalny, who I assume died of natural causes, natural being brutal conditions of a remote Russian jail, I think it very likely Prizoghin was offed.
 
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I want to know the actual cost the government is planning with its support to Ukraine and what it will cost the tax payer. We have supported Ukraine significantly to date and at some point, even the most Pro-Ukrainian supporter has to agree that the cost may become too great.

I think Ukraine has really bloodied Russia but Russia may win in the long run.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I want to know the actual cost the government is planning with its support to Ukraine and what it will cost the tax payer. We have supported Ukraine significantly to date and at some point, even the most Pro-Ukrainian supporter has to agree that the cost may become too great.

I think Ukraine has really bloodied Russia but Russia may win in the long run.
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Ukraine will get stronger militarily over time. It is beginning to establish, with Western help, its own weapons/military
equipment manufacturing facilities. It will be able to produce its own ammunition. It will all take time, but IMO time
is in Ukraine's favor. And people have turned on Russia and fascists. Orban is not going to last long in Hungary unless he goes
full-scale repression--at which point he will be kicked out of NATO and the EU, and at which point there will be a massive uprising
in that country, I predict. Uzbekistan has taken the side of Ukraine. It could be a long, hard slog for a while, as the war criminal in Moscow
has staked his reputation and his life on this war. He won't win--but he will sacrifice most everything to keep from losing--as that what dictators
do.
 
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ATACMS to Ukraine. Every point on the Crimean peninsula just came within accurate fire range. The midget despot is about to take his howling to a whole new level probably.

ETA: most importantly the Crimean bridge just came in range.

www.nbcnews.com

Biden administration is leaning toward supplying Ukraine with long-range missiles

If Republicans continue to block U.S. military aid to Ukraine, the White House could turn to an ally to provide Kyiv with ATACM missiles capable of striking Russian-held Crimea.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
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turbovol said:
Ukraine will get stronger militarily over time. It is beginning to establish, with Western help, its own weapons/military
equipment manufacturing facilities. It will be able to produce its own ammunition. It will all take time, but IMO time
is in Ukraine's favor. And people have turned on Russia and fascists. Orban is not going to last long in Hungary unless he goes
full-scale repression--at which point he will be kicked out of NATO and the EU, and at which point there will be a massive uprising
in that country, I predict. Uzbekistan has taken the side of Ukraine. It could be a long, hard slog for a while, as the war criminal in Moscow
has staked his reputation and his life on this war. He won't win--but he will sacrifice most everything to keep from losing--as that what dictators
do.
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What does Orban have to do with anything here?
 
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volgr said:
Did he follow Russian law when he amended the Constitution?
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To put himself back into power? That's not the argument, the argument is if its dictatorial to put oneself back into power after anointing your "replacement" who just so happens to put you into the second most powerful job in the country, and then to just so have the Constitution rewritten in your favor. Most would say yes.

didn't matter to you when the Ukrainians followed their Constitution to kick out Yanukoych.
 
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LouderVol said:
To put himself back into power? That's not the argument, the argument is if its dictatorial to put oneself back into power after anointing your "replacement" who just so happens to put you into the second most powerful job in the country, and then to just so have the Constitution rewritten in your favor. Most would say yes.

didn't matter to you when the Ukrainians followed their Constitution to kick out Yanukoych.
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Why not simply answer the question? Was the Russian Constitution amended lawfully?
 
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Avdiivka was lost by Ukraine primarily due to a huge influx of glide bombs by Russian fighters. They finally figured out that they could simply overwhelm Ukrainian defenses by focusing their attacks on one small area.

Expect the Russians to attempt this same tactic elsewhere.

On the flip side, Ukraine now is receiving glide bombs of its own, but but but, until when and if the US gives Ukraine much needed replacement Patriot missiles, they'll continue to be on their back foot.

We can ensure Ukraine wins this war, but by all accounts, our political will simply isn't there... For now.
 
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The US Republican Party's support for Putin and Russia is really a sad turn of events. They were once a staunch defender of democracy and freedom in the world.
 
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