Recruiting Football Talk VII

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Volbucky said:
If you don’t think Georgia cheats on the recruiting trail than you are either ignorant or lying to yourself.
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That's not what I said. I said it's always possible, but the NCAA needs something concrete to begin an investigation. Fans always think other teams are cheating but that's not sufficient evidence.
 
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DawgInterloper said:
You seem to have read more into my post than was there. Ulysses suggested that NIL resources make Ohio State better positioned than Tennessee acquire athletes. I wondered if that would necessarily guarantee more success. I don't have the answer, just noted that this sort of thing had been debated before in a military context. Maybe having the most money is paramount in the NIL era, but I'm not sure because football is the ultimate team sport and culture is important.

As for Mims or Washington, I haven't seen any evidence that they were paid to sign with UGA, so what was the NCAA's reason to investigate? It's possible, but you could say that for any college athlete. If you're saying that Pruitt offered them money and thus UGA must have done the same, I don't believe that's the kind of logic that launches investigations. Pruitt reportedly handed out $60,000 total to multiple athletes, much less per individual player presumably. Sums like that could be, and almost certainly have been, outweighed by non-financial considerations in a player's recruitment.

Has Georgia been illegally "shelling out money" in amounts that give them a recruiting advantage over everyone else? When there's money or power at stake, I never rule out the possibility of cheating. But I'd need to see something more than "they're recruiting very well so they must have some illicit advantage". In the recent past UGA's underperformance despite some obvious geographic recruiting advantages ("no championship since 1981") was used as an indictment of the program and of Mark Richt. Now it's overperformance, I guess.
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Oh boy. Jeremy Pruitt learned how to pay players at GA, FSU and AL. He was sloppy at Tennessee because he never dreamed someone in the program would turn him in. Then you take into account that Smart came from AL and suddenly GA can out recruit Saban. Then you take into account the recruits at GA having recruiting violations at other schools involving money. And you really want to think that GA wasn’t paying and paying well? So, yes, GA has most definitely without any doubt been shelling out money in amounts that give them a tremendous recruiting advantage just like Saban and AL. And they’re not going to show you any evidence. That would be stupid. Players sometimes let it slip many years later about being paid when they know there’ll be no consequences.
 
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DawgInterloper said:
That's not what I said. I said it's always possible, but the NCAA needs something concrete to begin an investigation. Fans always think other teams are cheating but that's not sufficient evidence.
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They seem to find what they want to find. Obviously many universities are getting tired of the double standard.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
Oh boy. Jeremy Pruitt learned how to pay players at GA, FSU and AL. He was sloppy at Tennessee because he never dreamed someone in the program would turn him in. Then you take into account that Smart came from AL and suddenly GA can out recruit Saban. Then you take into account the recruits at GA having recruiting violations at other schools involving money. And you really want to think that GA wasn’t paying and paying well? So, yes, GA has most definitely without any doubt been shelling out money in amounts that give them a tremendous recruiting advantage just like Saban and AL. And they’re not going to show you any evidence. That would be stupid. Players sometimes let it slip many years later about being paid when they know there’ll be no consequences.
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You guys are very passionate about your rivals cheating and I expect it and have seen it on every sports message board I've ever read. But just to reiterate, I'm not talking about who is cheating or who I think could be cheating, including UGA. I'm talking about evidence of cheating, since Weezer questioned why the NCAA didn't investigate UGA for paying Washington and Mims. What Jeremy Pruitt did at Tennessee is not evidence of cheating anywhere else. Success is not evidence of cheating; if it was nobody would want to be successful in recruiting or on the field.

As you say, they're not going to show me any evidence and I haven't seen any evidence. But, the NCAA could announce an investigation into UGA tomorrow, and then I'd know that there was some evidence that warranted an investigation.
 
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DawgInterloper said:
You guys are very passionate about your rivals cheating and I expect it and have seen it on every sports message board I've ever read. But just to reiterate, I'm not talking about who is cheating or who I think could be cheating, including UGA. I'm talking about evidence of cheating, since Weezer questioned why the NCAA didn't investigate UGA for paying Washington and Mims. What Jeremy Pruitt did at Tennessee is not evidence of cheating anywhere else. Success is not evidence of cheating; if it was nobody would want to be successful in recruiting or on the field.

As you say, they're not going to show me any evidence and I haven't seen any evidence. But, the NCAA could announce an investigation into UGA tomorrow, and then I'd know that there was some evidence that warranted an investigation.
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Mims established a pattern that deserved investigation. The NCAA chased it to two other schools but never inquired at UGA. They don't go looking for violations at schools like UGA or Alabama. Certain schools are protected, others are not.
 
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