Recruiting Football Talk VII

[mr.checkerboards]

 

[VolMike16]

US?! Are you kidding? Your argument just lost all credibility. Us without Hooker isn't even a top ten team last year.

And tcu handled Michigan. Hard to argue they weren't a top 4 team.

Come on man. They gave up 500 yards of offense and won by like 6. The UGA game proved who they really were.

 

[825VOL]

If Travis were healthy and they still left them out, that would be corruption. Trying to put the current best 4 teams in is misguided and not the way I prefer, but it's not corruption. Prioritizing projecting current level of competitiveness isn't corruption.

The problems is that neither you, nor I, nor the f'ing committee knows how good FL St might be in a month. They have the entire month to get their second string QB back and get him prepared. They earned the right to have that opportunity on the field.

 

[bluegrasser]

It’s absolutely corruption. The message is that they don’t care what you do on the field- just put together games to maximize ratings. That’s not free competitive sports.

The networks and commissioners are running the industry. It’s greed.

Agreed - I mean, the only purely objective analysis is looking at W-L record. That clearly was not the metric. Instead, it seems to be “the hottest teams “Right now, at this moment.” What the crap is that?!
That makes the entirety of the season’s outcomes meaningless.
So, if - despite let’s say 3 or 4 early losses, suddenly UT caught fire and was steamrolling fools, they would jump us over everyone and put us in the CFB? This is pure recency bias at its worst.
It’s really just logistical gymnastics to explain an already-planned end result.

 

[drvenner]

Terribly unfortunate set of circumstances? Corrupt, entitled cheating mother****ers is more like it

 

[LA Vol]

Where does it stop, though? If you're going to make it all subjective, who's to say UGA isn't "better" than the four chosen? They were #1, undefeated for weeks with the longest win streak in the nation, and had one close loss on a night that wasn't their best. On a better night, when Bowers and McConkey aren't dinged up, UGA likely beats Bama (who almost lost several squeakers this year)... and maybe Washington... maybe even Texas or Michigan.

Bama has benefited from winning head-to-head and losing head-to-head in back-to-back seasons. Where's the line?

James L. Brooks had some great dialogue in "Broadcast News" about that. It's hard not to cross the line when they keep moving the little sucker. At what point is there no line at all?

 

[VolGee4]

If Travis were healthy and they still left them out, that would be corruption. Trying to put the current best 4 teams in is misguided and not the way I prefer, but it's not corruption. Prioritizing projecting current level of competitiveness isn't corruption.

Yes, it is. It’s for ratings. Jared Verse led his team to be undefeated and doesn’t get rewarded for it. There’s no point in playing the games then. Let’s just decide preseason who should play for ratings. We all know the teams that produce good ratings before we start. If you can’t see the difference, then no big deal. But it’s greedy, which results in corruption.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

 

[DeepPurpleFloyd]

Question:

If, say, Milroe gets injured at the end of Michigan game but they scrape by, does Bama get eliminated?

No? Then the timing of injuries is arbitrary as to a made-up cutoff point. Ridiculous.

Honestly, this would be the best case scenario at this point. I can't pull for either Michigan or Bama so hopefully Milroe (and Burton) get injured late in that game, Washington beats Texas, and then Washington totally embarrases Bama to the point Saban wished they had not been selected to begin with and is forced out by boosters for how humiliating the loss was. And Ty Simpson goes 0 -30 for 0 yards, 5 pick sixes, and 3 fumbles which are recovered for touchdowns.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

But FSU has not proven that they have much offense without Travis. Michigan/FSU may well have been a replay of Michigan/Iowa. We can always conjecture about how things may have played out, but FSU had two games using two backup QB's to prove they could still perform like a top four team. IMO it was undeniable that their offensive performances showed a big drop off from every other game of the season, which was enough to knock them out.

All that matters is they have no losses and other teams do.

Period.

 

[jave36]

The problems is that neither you, nor I, nor the f'ing committee knows how good FL St might be in a month. They have the entire month to get their second string QB back and get him prepared. They earned the right to have that opportunity on the field.

I agree. They earned their spot. But the committee never said they cared about who earned what, they use the regular season as evidence for who the best 4 teams are, but it's not the final criteria.

I think it should be the final criteria, I want the regular season to matter.

But I'd be lying if I said I'd enjoy watching fsu/Michigan more than bama/Michigan.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

He is 1000% right, every damn one of those points is absolute fact....this is disgusting, and the only reason they are getting away with it is the brainwashed hordes buying this load of because all they have heard for 20 years is that the SEC is always the best...well they sure as were not this year.

I don't think I have EVER felt as bad for another program and it's fans as I do right now for FSU....this was pure corruption and fraud...ESPN and their whores helped make it possible.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Where does it stop, though? If you're going to make it all subjective, who's to say UGA isn't "better" than the four chosen? They were #1, undefeated for weeks with the longest win streak in the nation, and had one close loss on a night that wasn't their best. On a better night, when Bowers and McConkey aren't dinged up, UGA likely beats Bama (who almost lost several squeakers this year)... and maybe Washington... maybe even Texas or Michigan.

Bama has benefited from winning head-to-head and losing head-to-head in back-to-back seasons. Where's the line?

James L. Brooks had some great dialogue in "Broadcast News" about that. It's hard not to cross the line when they keep moving the little sucker. At what point is there no line at all?

The line is an illusion. There was never a line to begin with, just predetermined outcomes with talking points to cover the corruption.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

US?! Are you kidding? Your argument just lost all credibility. Us without Hooker isn't even a top ten team last year.

And tcu handled Michigan. Hard to argue they weren't a top 4 team.

Yet we beat a top ten team in our bowl game handily without Hooker which proved we were a top ten team.

And TCU lost by 58 in the national championship game. 58 points. That’s how you beat FCS teams.

 

[jave36]

Question:

If, say, Milroe gets injured at the end of Michigan game but they scrape by, does Bama get eliminated?

No? Then the timing of injuries is arbitrary as to a made-up cutoff point. Ridiculous.

Better analogy to the current situation would be if Milroe had gotten injured against UGA but they still won in the end.

In that case, I doubt Bama gets in the playoff based on how the committee operates.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

If Travis were healthy and they still left them out, that would be corruption. Trying to put the current best 4 teams in is misguided and not the way I prefer, but it's not corruption. Prioritizing projecting current level of competitiveness isn't corruption.

It is corruption

 

[Jimmy Football]

He is 1000% right, every damn one of those points is absolute fact....this is disgusting, and the only reason they are getting away with it is the brainwashed hordes buying this load of because all they have heard for 20 years is that the SEC is always the best...well they sure as were not this year.

I don't think I have EVER felt as bad for another program and it's fans as I do right now for FSU....this was pure corruption and fraud...ESPN and their whores helped make it possible.

I honestly can’t believe we have people here defending this garbage.

 

[VolMike16]

Yet we beat a top ten team in our bowl game handily without Hooker which proved we were a top ten team.

And TCU lost by 58 in the national championship game. 58 points. That’s how you beat FCS teams.

Don't forget no Hyatt or Tillman.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Where does it stop, though? If you're going to make it all subjective, who's to say UGA isn't "better" than the four chosen? They were #1, undefeated for weeks with the longest win streak in the nation, and had one close loss on a night that wasn't their best. On a better night, when Bowers and McConkey aren't dinged up, UGA likely beats Bama (who almost lost several squeakers this year)... and maybe Washington... maybe even Texas or Michigan.

Bama has benefited from winning head-to-head and losing head-to-head in back-to-back seasons. Where's the line?

James L. Brooks had some great dialogue in "Broadcast News" about that. It's hard not to cross the line when they keep moving the little sucker. At what point is there no line at all?

Exactly.

If it’s metrics with win/losses and conference titles then FSU gets in.

If it’s about four best teams. Then how could you not have UGA in?

They went against both and chose who they wanted in.

 

[Ten_Titans]

7 teams deserve to be playing for a championship. There was just no getting around that fact. Three teams were going to get screwed over even though they deserved to be in with one of the half a dozen criteria or another.

That's just the facts. No one in here will remember how impressed they claimed to be with the "gauntlet" of the ACC in 6 months.

The real losers here are the people who have repeatedly claimed that four teams is enough teams, no auto qualifiers, no consistency in criteria... And it would always work out to where the teams that deserved to be in would be in. Nope. Stupid. 12 team playoff with auto qualifiers.

 

[Adam Sandler]

You just said it yourself. There's no way the best teams will be outside the top 12. So no, nobody can make an argument they're one of the best teams if they're outside the top 12. Problem solved. Anyone not in the top 12 has zero argument for saying they deserve to be in the playoff.

But that’s not the way it will happen because it’s so seemingly subjective and narrative based. I believe that there’s no way the best team isn’t in the top 12 but without principles and consistency someone will always be crying corrupt and arguing they deserved a spot.

 

[825VOL]

Better analogy to the current situation would be if Milroe had gotten injured against UGA but they still won in the end.

In that case, I doubt Bama gets in the playoff based on how the committee operates.

You keep talking about how the committee operates. It NEVER operated this way until the SEC was potentially left out. They changed their own rules this time and screwed over an undefeated team to get an SEC team into the playoffs. It is DISGUSTING!

 

[Ten_Titans]

But that’s not the way it will happen because it’s so seemingly subjective and narrative based. I believe that there’s no way the best team isn’t in the top 12 but without principles and consistency someone will always be crying corrupt and arguing they deserved a spot.

I think that argument loses a lot of steam when you have auto qualifier bids. Hey, guess what? Win your conference and you are in. Absolutely no subjectivity in that.

 

[RikidyBones]

FSUs argument is essentially "what about the kids feelings?"

I obviously would have preferred no sec team but it's not surprising. Did we really want a for sure blowout because of feelings? I don't think it's going to be such an egregious issue next year and beyond.

Michigans reaction to it not being fsu tells you all you need to know.

I hope they still beat the crap out of Alabama.

FSU will lose to UGA. Badly imo.