Recruiting Football Talk VII

[TN-POSSUM]

 

[mr.checkerboards]

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This argument is so stupid.

Don't you have a HS to whine about?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

But i want to be able to tell my grandchildren about the great Outback bowl win of 2023.. think of the children

I guarantee you that all the guys in here dismissing the bowl game will be the first in line to bitch and whine and take a huge stinky on Heup if we lose.

 

[Christian Lowe]

One can hold both of those opinions simultaneously. Opting out is bad for the sport, but they’ve devalued most of the bowls to the point where certain players opting out is absolutely the correct decision for their future.

It’s the correct decision for Joe, too. But I can’t fault the kid for wanting to play.

Like I said, it’s probably the last chance he has to play meaningful football on a big stage in his career. He no doubt knows that deep down, even if competitively he thinks he can crack an NFL roster and hold his own. For that reason, I’d say it’s a terrible decision for him to opt out. He has pretty much nothing to lose. An injury isn’t going to drop his draft stock like it would if he were a first rounder. Anyone who takes him is doing so as a project anyways.

 

[Christian Lowe]

Don't you have a HS to whine about?

Could you make it any more obvious you don’t have a rebuttal?

 

[rikberry31]

Pretty high ask as an ultimatum considering the landscape of the SEC East.

There won't be a SEC East next year. It will be harder to get ATL because only the top two teams will go. There will be no more Missouris winning a division by taking advantage of the rest of the division being down. Many times it wasn't the two best teams in the SEC in ATL.

 

[BigSteve09]

When he was hired I thought he was a bridge coach. I said give him 5-6 years, I'm at the point where he needs to make Atlanta in the next couple. I mean how long are we going to make excuses for the guy?

ahh you almost had me/us

you reached a little too far!

 

[UTSuave’]

so was he solid or systemically coddled

 

[Jimmy Football]

Like I said, it’s probably the last chance he has to play meaningful football on a big stage in his career. He no doubt knows that deep down, even if competitively he thinks he can crack an NFL roster and hold his own. For that reason, I’d say it’s a terrible decision for him to opt out. He has pretty much nothing to lose. An injury isn’t going to drop his draft stock like it would if he were a first rounder. Anyone who takes him is doing so as a project anyways.

His only chance of being drafted depends on him being healthy at draft time. If he’s hurt, he’ll never even get a shot.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

We can at least make excuses once right? The first two years he exceeded expectations. So that buys him at least one i think.

That's what I just asked Marco.
Ive seen people already say this is an 8 win team, I've even seen some say 7. How long are we going to play this game? What if Heupel goes 8 wins the next 3 years?

 

[Christian Lowe]

His only chance of being drafted depends on him being healthy at draft time. If he’s hurt, he’ll never even get a shot.

I don’t necessarily think that’s the case, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it were. So I’ll concede.

if that is the case, it comes down to what matters to Joe. Does he want a minor payday, or to play one more real game? The risks are there, but if he would regret not going out there one more time for the rest of his life then it still isn’t worth taking the safe route. If I were him, it’s hard to say what I’d do. I think I’d rather play, but that’s with my financial situation and family. I don’t know his, but I’d assume he’s made enough at Tennessee to make him secure in his decision.

 

[SpringBokVol]

I still haven’t stopped shaking my head at Auburn letting Milroe camp out in the pocket and then letting Bond catch that pass.

They rushed two guys and kept a 3rd to spy.

They had a second layer of 3 guys doing absolutely NOTHING.

Then had 5 in the end zone. Bama also had 5 in the end zone.

They win 99% of the time if they rush 6 and drop 5 at the goal line. Milroe would have about 2.5 seconds and no one is running 40 yards into the end zone. I bet he would have just chucked it up and it probably get's picked or falls short on the ground.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Could you make it any more obvious you don’t have a rebuttal?

Because you're posts are typically negative and you've said multiple times you're fine with TN going 8-4 every year.

 

[captainfalcon777]

I really hope Nico gets bowl game reps. It doesn’t make or break 2024 but it would be nice for him to get extended live fire snaps. At least he gets the practices.

This makes no sense. I’ve seen posters here say it 100% makes or breaks the 2024 season. 2024’s record hinges on a bowl game in December 2023.

 

[seaofORANGE22]

Like I said, it’s probably the last chance he has to play meaningful football on a big stage in his career. He no doubt knows that deep down, even if competitively he thinks he can crack an NFL roster and hold his own. For that reason, I’d say it’s a terrible decision for him to opt out. He has pretty much nothing to lose. An injury isn’t going to drop his draft stock like it would if he were a first rounder. Anyone who takes him is doing so as a project anyways.

This is a good point. Joe likely has a lot to gain in the bowl game. I'm not sure he's done enough to even guarantee that he'll get drafted. He could still raise his stock with a great game.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

Hate to break it to some of you guys ....but with the the playoffs expanding to 12...the conference championships are gonna become afterthought when all you need to do is finish top 12

 

[UTgrad2015]

I guarantee you that all the guys in here dismissing the bowl game will be the first in line to bitch and whine and take a huge stinky dump on Heup if we lose.

Is this the first time you didn’t use the emoji? What the hell man

 

[BigOrange15]

I don't know who needs to hear this but reasons for things are not the same as excuses.

 

[BigSteve09]

Hate to break it to some of you guys ....but with the the playoffs expanding to 12...the conference championships are gonna become afterthought when all you need to do is finish top 12

no reason to have the championship game anymore, really

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I also think it’s funny the same people that are praying for him to opt out are probably the same that think opting out is bad for the game.

Chances are this is the last chance Milton has to play a meaningful football game in his career. Nico playing has little to no effect on next season.

False. Game reps are the most important thing he can get right now. Nothing is better for maturing than playing at the college level.

I played collegiate sports and you grow up the most from playing and learning on the field.

 

[Christian Lowe]

Because you're posts are typically negative and you've said multiple times you're fine with TN going 8-4 every year.

Again, that’s not a rebuttal to my point. It’s just a straw man. But I’ll play. I’ve said it’s not a fireable offense, not a ceiling. People like you who have sky high standards are the reason we couldn’t even sniff 8-4 for 15 years. Demanding to be Alabama or Georgia every year is a good way to become Kentucky every year instead.

 

[seaofORANGE22]

This makes no sense. I’ve seen posters here say it 100% makes or breaks the 2024 season. 2024’s record hinges on a bowl game in December 2023.

Agreed. That orange bowl performance didn't have much to do with how this season went. It was still fun though

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I care. I would guess many other Vol fans throughout the world care as well.

I know Heupel cares cause that record will be with his name for the rest of his career.

Its not the end goal. We fell short of that. Its a disappointment. But you win as many games as you can. You owe it to everybody associated with the program.

Even if it’s to the detriment of our team and season next year? Makes perfect sense for one meaningless bowl win. We will win with Nico anyways.

 

[Christian Lowe]

False. Game reps are the most important thing he can get right now. Nothing is better for maturing than playing at the college level.

I played collegiate sports and you grow up the most from playing and learning on the field.

He will get that next season. The bowl could help, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter that much. It sure didn’t help Cade Klubnik getting a start against us for his next season.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

Don't you have a HS to whine about?