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Smyrna ATL Vol said:
Ahh so after three years it’s still a talent issue. Shouldn’t that be on the coaches to get players especially in portal day and age?
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Have you not seen the 2023 and 2024 classes? They're coming 🤣

The 2021 class (Pruitt's last) literally left us a gaping hole. 2022 was Heupel's very first full class...under NCAA eyes and negative recruiting.

I just don't see how folks can't see Heupel was left an empty plate and the server is just now coming...stop eating stale bread acting like it's your meal...and wait for the meal!

2021 - 88.9 player average
2022 - 88.1
2023 - 90.9
2024 - 91.7
 
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VolGee4 said:
Don’t know. Auburn usually has some talent regardless of where the program is. You see that Harsin is 11, so in two years, the program fell quite a bit.
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Look at Bo Nix. He's an Auburn legacy, had the starting job, and they couldn't keep him around. The internal situation there went beyond toxic. Every other time, Auburn's had a magical way of bouncing back the next year from a bad season and having a mind boggling great season but that hasn't been happening lately. I think Auburn has been in a very bad situation since they started warring with Harsin and that even with him gone those wounds haven't healed.

At any rate, the question of Auburn made me look up Blue Chip Ratio and the results are interesting:

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  • In 2022, Georgia took home the title in dominant fashion with a 77% ratio.
  • In 2021, Georgia had an 80 percent BCR and won it all, beating the No. 1 BCR team Alabama in the title game. Three of the four playoff teams were BCR teams as Cincinnati was the first crasher since 2017.
  • In 2020, Alabama had an 83 percent BCR and won it all. All four Playoff teams were BCR schools.
  • In 2019, LSU won it with a 64 percent BCR, and all four Playoff teams were BCR schools.
  • Clemson, with a 61 percent mark, took it home in 2018. And all four Playoff teams were BCR schools.
  • Alabama won it all in 2017 with an incredible 80 percent mark.
  • Clemson took home the title in 2016 after signing 52 percent blue chips in the 2013-16 classes.
  • In 2015, Alabama had a 77 percent mark.
  • In 2014, it was Ohio State at 68 percent.
  • In 2013, Florida State was at 53 percent.
  • In 2012, Alabama was at 71 percent
  • ... just as Bama was in 2011.

^^Kinda puts in perspective how great a job Heupel and co. did last season and even this season as disappointing as it's been in comparison. Auburn is a the bottom of the list for those with a BCR to win a title and we aren't even on the list. Although, in that article Elliot expects that Tennessee, NC, and FSU can all make the list next season if we have good seasons and turn that into good classes. We are on the brink of hitting the ratio. But we have a coach that would've crashed the playoffs had Michigan not given SC our signs.

That's significant. Damn near all the playoff winners have been built on ridiculous ratios rather than great coaching. Saban, Kirby, and Day are all out talenting you and not by a little but by quite a lot.

We have been in the Bear Bryant Era (recruit stacking) of coaching but a few guys and Heupel is one, imo, can actually just outcoach the other team but we still need talent to do it and it almost always has to come with a knockout QB. Eventually, I hope we out ratio everyone while we outcoach them but I think this is why we should have some patience with this season. We have an actual coach that can outcoach the likes of Saban, Kelly, and Dabo with lesser talent on hand. That is just so incredibly rare these days. If UT draws in talent we can become the BAMA-UGA-OSU machine everyone hates and we can do it without having to be at above 70 percent on our ratio.


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TheMookieMonster said:
While I personally don’t believe we need to be ranked right now, it’s just hilarious that THIS is the reaction he has to the release of the new polls. Honestly forgot how much of a tool Jesse Simonton is. Can’t believe he used to actually cover Tennessee.

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Who is this person?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I mean, how long should it take? I mean, at some point do the excuses not evaporate?
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I don't think I've given you excuses... You're looking for an absolute solution to a problem that has more than one reason it exists. Which inherently means there's more than one way... And it will take more than one way... To fix it.

My point is only this... Simply saying coach sucks, replace him... Doesn't mean you're gonna get the net result you're after... Because of the other relevant issues that also need to be addressed.

Look, at some point if the defense doesn't improve he won't be here. When is that I don't know, mainly because I think it can still be fixed before it gets there...if we do well in the portal and develop what's here, you'd like to think we'd see appreciable improvements in there next season or two. If we get past that and it's the same.. Well... He's not gonna make it.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
While I personally don’t believe we need to be ranked right now, it’s just hilarious that THIS is the reaction he has to the release of the new polls. Honestly forgot how much of a tool Jesse Simonton is. Can’t believe he used to actually cover Tennessee.

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Rent free!
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
While I personally don’t believe we need to be ranked right now, it’s just hilarious that THIS is the reaction he has to the release of the new polls. Honestly forgot how much of a tool Jesse Simonton is. Can’t believe he used to actually cover Tennessee.

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The idea that is an injustice for UT to be ranked is so stupid. Look at the teams from 25-30. Blind resume of ours vs theirs and it's not debatable. Ask Vegas to set a neutral site line vs any of those teams and UT is easily favored.
 
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jakez4ut said:
I don't think I've given you excuses... You're looking for an absolute solution to a problem that has more than one reason it exists. Which inherently means there's more than one way... And it will take more than one way... To fix it.

My point is only this... Simply saying coach sucks, replace him... Doesn't mean you're gonna get the net result you're after... Because of the other relevant issues that also need to be addressed.

Look, at some point if the defense doesn't improve he won't be here. When is that I don't know, mainly because I think it can still be fixed before it gets there...if we do well in the portal and develop what's here, you'd like to think we'd see appreciable improvements in there next season or two. If we get past that and it's the same.. Well... He's not gonna make it.
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I don't expect much next year. The problems they have don't get fixed in one year. At best it will be 2025.

It's my opinion he's not going to get it done here, obviously. I've given him a chance for three years now and I continually see the same 💩 game in and game out. Next year I'm going to hammer and hammer it when the inevitable happens. Those that don't like it, better place me on ignore. It's coming and hell's coming with me. 😅
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I don't expect much next year. The problems they have don't get fixed in one year. At best it will be 2025.

It's my opinion he's not going to get it done here, obviously. I've given him a chance for three years now and I continually see the same 💩 game in and game out. Next year I'm going to hammer and hammer it when the inevitable happens. Those that don't like it, better place me on ignore. It's coming and hell's coming with me. 😅
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What if we allow less than 20ppg?
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
While I personally don’t believe we need to be ranked right now, it’s just hilarious that THIS is the reaction he has to the release of the new polls. Honestly forgot how much of a tool Jesse Simonton is. Can’t believe he used to actually cover Tennessee.

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He’s a jackass always has been covering the Vols, just like the KNS sports writers.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I don't expect much next year. The problems they have don't get fixed in one year. At best it will be 2025.

It's my opinion he's not going to get it done here, obviously. I've given him a chance for three years now and I continually see the same 💩 game in and game out. Next year I'm going to hammer and hammer it when the inevitable happens. Those that don't like it, better place me on ignore. It's coming and hell's coming with me. 😅
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Well.. If your gonna be a bear, be a grizzly.😎
 
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UTProf said:
Look at Bo Nix. He's an Auburn legacy, had the starting job, and they couldn't keep him around. The internal situation there went beyond toxic. Every other time, Auburn's had a magical way of bouncing back the next year from a bad season and having a mind boggling great season but that hasn't been happening lately. I think Auburn has been in a very bad situation since they started warring with Harsin and that even with him gone those wounds haven't healed.

At any rate, the question of Auburn made me look up Blue Chip Ratio and the results are interesting:

11798809.png


  • In 2022, Georgia took home the title in dominant fashion with a 77% ratio.
  • In 2021, Georgia had an 80 percent BCR and won it all, beating the No. 1 BCR team Alabama in the title game. Three of the four playoff teams were BCR teams as Cincinnati was the first crasher since 2017.
  • In 2020, Alabama had an 83 percent BCR and won it all. All four Playoff teams were BCR schools.
  • In 2019, LSU won it with a 64 percent BCR, and all four Playoff teams were BCR schools.
  • Clemson, with a 61 percent mark, took it home in 2018. And all four Playoff teams were BCR schools.
  • Alabama won it all in 2017 with an incredible 80 percent mark.
  • Clemson took home the title in 2016 after signing 52 percent blue chips in the 2013-16 classes.
  • In 2015, Alabama had a 77 percent mark.
  • In 2014, it was Ohio State at 68 percent.
  • In 2013, Florida State was at 53 percent.
  • In 2012, Alabama was at 71 percent
  • ... just as Bama was in 2011.

^^Kinda puts in perspective how great a job Heupel and co. did last season and even this season as disappointing as it's been in comparison. Auburn is a the bottom of the list for those with a BCR to win a title and we aren't even on the list. Although, in that article Elliot expects that Tennessee, NC, and FSU can all make the list next season if we have good seasons and turn that into good classes. We are on the brink of hitting the ratio. But we have a coach that would've crashed the playoffs had Michigan not given SC our signs.

That's significant. Damn near all the playoff winners have been built on ridiculous ratios rather than great coaching. Saban, Kirby, and Day are all out talenting you and not by a little but by quite a lot.

We have been in the Bear Bryant Era (recruit stacking) of coaching but a few guys and Heupel is one, imo, can actually just outcoach the other team but we still need talent to do it and it almost always has to come with a knockout QB. Eventually, I hope we out ratio everyone while we outcoach them but I think this is why we should have some patience with this season. We have an actual coach that can outcoach the likes of Saban, Kelly, and Dabo with lesser talent on hand. That is just so incredibly rare these days. If UT draws in talent we can become the BAMA-UGA-OSU machine everyone hates and we can do it without having to be at above 70 percent on our ratio.


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I will always Like and promote any post about the Blue Chip Ratio
 
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Where has Tyre West been all year? Expected way more. He flashed last year...been nonexistent this year. I know we rotate a lot on the front, but he has made no sound, whatsoever. Hobbs has gotten more of a run this year.
 
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