2024 Presidential Race

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Labor gains, especially in Midwest and NV, will be hard for Trump to overcome.

Beshear won KY partially because of overperformance in Louisville area, where 26,000 UPS employees work....
 
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hog88 said:
I just don't see it. I think a lot of the suburban voters as you describe them are in the camp of "I won't waste my vote" thinking.
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It won't take many of them to flip AZ and GA. 30% of AZ is independent. If the 52-48 split of Is that Biden had in 2020 is 48 (D)-47(R)-5 (I), Trump wins AZ...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Labor gains, especially in Midwest and NV, will be hard for Trump to overcome.

Beshear won KY partially because of overperformance in Louisville area, where 26,000 UPS employees work....
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I agree that recent labor gains will be a huge benefit for the Dem candidate, IF the layoffs are delayed until after the election.
 
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hog88 said:
Screwed more than it already is? How?
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The country really falls apart whether its biden or trump, neither party will accept a win for the other. When you look at the world situation, its asking us to fight a civil war in addition to foreign conflicts. The country really needs someone to keep us together until ukraine, the middle east, and china are more sorted out. Wwiii looms.
 
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jvol1 said:
The country really falls apart whether its biden or trump, neither party will accept a win for the other. When you look at the world situation, its asking us to fight a civil war in addition to foreign conflicts. The country really needs someone to keep us together until ukraine, the middle east, and china are more sorted out. Wwiii looms.
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That person will not be on the ballot.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Biden beats Trump in 2024. I think Trump flips back GA but Labor gains in the Midwest and NV keep those states from flipping back and Arizona's high % of independent voters plus the antics of Kari Lake sinks AZ....
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Inflation and the fallout from easing will hurt biden a lot, also afghanistan, age, skepticism about his ability to lead the country in a potential future war. I'm at least a little skeptical about his ties to ukraine, and the repubs are undoubtedly saving their ammo on hunters pay for access operation until closer to elections. I dont see it as a slam dunk for biden, nor do I see him as being the leader we need going forward.
 
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jvol1 said:
Inflation and the fallout from easing will hurt biden a lot, also afghanistan, age, skepticism about his ability to lead the country in a potential future war. I'm at least a little skeptical about his ties to ukraine, and the repubs are undoubtedly saving their ammo on hunters pay for access operation until closer to elections. I dont see it as a slam dunk for biden, nor do I see him as being the leader we need going forward.
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I don't see it being a slam dunk for Biden either but I don't see where Trump will pick up another state to get to 270.

Trump needs GA, AZ, and something else. I think Trump gets GA for reasons you mentioned. Trump and those like him underperform in AZ. And where is the other state that's going to flip?

Trump is going to have to flip a heavily union state and we saw in deep red KY governors race what the UPS deal in the Lousiville metro area...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I don't see it being a slam dunk for Biden either but I don't see where Trump will pick up another state to get to 270.

Trump needs GA, AZ, and something else. I think Trump gets GA for reasons you mentioned. Trump and those like him underperform in AZ. And where is the other state that's going to flip?

Trump is going to have to flip a heavily union state and we saw in deep red KY governors race what the UPS deal in the Lousiville metro area...
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What about Pennsylvania and Wisconsin?
 
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Toucan Sam said:
What about Pennsylvania and Wisconsin?
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WI is a weird state. They, like MN, are very anti-business and Labor gains would seem to be good for Ds. But there is a pretty big mistrust of both parties up there. Manchin could play well there.

I dont see PA flipping unless the economy tanks....
 
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hog88 said:
I hope things change but I just don't know. Right now there isn't anyone in the R field that excites me, I was really hoping VR was going to be the guy and if not him TS but both have crossed a couple of my red lines. So I'll probably be voting for Jill Stein again.
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Never knew you liked dem policies like climate change, income inequality, green new deal, etc. Stein should run as a D because majority of her platform is the same as Joe's. She's a fraud that wants people to think she's "different". Plus, she has a worse chance than Trump of winning.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I don't see it being a slam dunk for Biden either but I don't see where Trump will pick up another state to get to 270.

Trump needs GA, AZ, and something else. I think Trump gets GA for reasons you mentioned. Trump and those like him underperform in AZ. And where is the other state that's going to flip?

Trump is going to have to flip a heavily union state and we saw in deep red KY governors race what the UPS deal in the Lousiville metro area...
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Biden is done unless there is heavy cheating. The traditional coalitions are falling apart. His popularity is continuously decreasing. Never before have we seen 4 - 5 candidates in the party of the incumbent line up against him to run as 3rd parties. Nobody likes the job Biden has done and his senility unless the person is a leftist stooge.

You may not have noticed several polls show Trump leading in 5 of 6 battleground states and I think it only gets worse for Biden. I don't want Trump but given the choice a large minority of voters think Biden is qualified to lead on a many number of issues. He is underwater big on most every topic.
 
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Vol since 77 said:
Never knew you liked dem policies like climate change, income inequality, green new deal, etc. Stein should run as a D because majority of her platform is the same as Joe's. She's a fraud that wants people to think she's "different". Plus, she has a worse chance than Trump of winning.
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I’m a huge lib
 
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hog88 said:
A Manchin candidacy will hurt the R candidate way more than the D. Dems will vote for who they are told to vote for without asking questions, I can see a lot of potential R voters pulling the lever for Manchin out of disgust for the R candidate.

Manchin is a Trojan horse.
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A lot of moderate Republicans (like me) and Democrats will pull the lever for Manchin. And there are more of us than the radicals of either party. Many of us are just waiting for a viable option and Manchin might just be that. Have to study up on him a bit.
 
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