War in Ukraine

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#71,951
volgr said:
What I said is what I said. I dont need your dumba$$ rewriting it with your delusional understanding of reality.
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You sure are cranky. Did I strike anerve with that one? I didn't rewrite anything. I asked you a question. Maybe grasp that concept before you start ironically hurling petty insults from behind your keyboard.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
You sure are cranky. Did I strike anerve with that one? I didn't rewrite anything. I asked you a question. Maybe grasp that concept before you start ironically hurling petty insults from behind your keyboard.
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<in soy boy voice> "Is this what you meant by remain neutral?"
 
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#71,958
Rasputin_Vol said:
It wasn't neutral. Kyiv was attacking the Donbas and they were being armed and trained by NATO.
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that was after the Russians moved in. remember how they were arming the "rebels" and "letting" their soldiers go on vacation in Ukraine with all their military equipment? According to you that means Russia was an active participant even at that stage.
 
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Septic said:
😂

House is controlled by the GOP.

Time to own the dysfunction.
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it takes two to tangle. if so much spending hadn't been previously approved by both sides it wouldn't be an issue today. and it goes back to Trump, and Obama, and Bush, and Clinton, and Bush again, and so on and so forth. This is not a recent issue, this is a reoccurring issue that the two sides just pass the baton on while they all kick the can down the road.

infact back in June when we were facing the default everyone was saying there was no need to compromise because this wouldn't be an issue later because we "addressed" the issue back then. Yet here were are, not even 6 months later dealing with the same issue.
 
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volgr said:
Russia secured Crimea very easily and could have easily secured the Donbas as a whole at that time. Why didnt they?
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because very few of the locals actually support them. so they had to have more assets in Crimea to secure that region, they only have a certain number of special forces overall, so while they were securing Crimea they literally cant be in two places at the same time. Crimea was already home to several thousand of the Russian military. Crimea is a peninsula and much easier to secure than something that shares hundreds of miles of land borders.

any more self evident and easy to answer softball questions?
 
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BeardedVol said:
How do you fix a problem, before it's been identified by the groups that are providing oversight for the aid program?

How many are closed or open are the moment, is irrelevant until one of them uncovers substantial fraud or abuse.

If you've got information to the contrary as to what the current reports state, link it, I'll be more than happy to read it.

Otherwise, you're complaining about an issue that you aren't even sure exists.
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oh I am 100% sure that there is substantial corruption within our government, military, and Ukraine's. especially when it comes to billions of dollars of stuff getting moved around during a war. I don't trust any of them during normal peacetime, and there is absolutely zero reason to think they changed their way this time. again they have a track record, but you keep thinking that the addict has cleaned up his game this time and the money will buy groceries.

you keep on believing that time is different.

you fix it the same way you fix any problem. you start by first making sure it doesn't get any worse, in this case by not giving them any more "aid". don't pretend like we haven't identified the problem, we know exactly WHAT the problem is, the only questions now are who, when, and how much. you don't bail water if you haven't shut off the valve to the burst pipe. its not like this is the first time this has happened. the first place to look at the top. that means those in DC, all of them, that means the top of the military brass, that means the CEOs of our defense industry. you turn off the money, get rid of the bad pieces in the government, and you remove the situation that created the problem, and you replace the bad pieces with good pieces, or at least pieces that haven't broken yet. and we need to look at lot higher on the food chain. and until you do ALL of that, you don't turn the water/money back on. doesn't matter who wants to use it, there is a problem, you fix it first.
 
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LouderVol said:
oh I am 100% sure that there is substantial corruption within our government, military, and Ukraine's. especially when it comes to billions of dollars of stuff getting moved around during a war. I don't trust any of them during normal peacetime, and there is absolutely zero reason to think they changed their way this time. again they have a track record, but you keep thinking that the addict has cleaned up his game this time and the money will buy groceries.

you keep on believing that time is different.

you fix it the same way you fix any problem. you start by first making sure it doesn't get any worse, in this case by not giving them any more "aid". don't pretend like we haven't identified the problem, we know exactly WHAT the problem is, the only questions now are who, when, and how much. you don't bail water if you haven't shut off the valve to the burst pipe. its not like this is the first time this has happened. the first place to look at the top. that means those in DC, all of them, that means the top of the military brass, that means the CEOs of our defense industry. you turn off the money, get rid of the bad pieces in the government, and you remove the situation that created the problem, and you replace the bad pieces with good pieces, or at least pieces that haven't broken yet. and we need to look at lot higher on the food chain. and until you do ALL of that, you don't turn the water/money back on. doesn't matter who wants to use it, there is a problem, you fix it first.
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It's your prerogative to worry about fraud and and abuse around the Ukrainian aid program, before it's even identified and confirmed to exist; you do you.
 
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#71,970
hog88 said:
Fraud is confirmed to exist, your first link said it. Our government just refuses to tell us how much.
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Every large system, be it government or otherwise, has some measure of fraud, waste, or abuse. Oversight of this particular program hasn't identified any incidents of note.

You're aware of this because you're losing sleep over the OIG definition of "substantial", and worrying that they don't share your inflated concerns.
 
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LouderVol said:
it takes two to tangle. if so much spending hadn't been previously approved by both sides it wouldn't be an issue today. and it goes back to Trump, and Obama, and Bush, and Clinton, and Bush again, and so on and so forth. This is not a recent issue, this is a reoccurring issue that the two sides just pass the baton on while they all kick the can down the road.

infact back in June when we were facing the default everyone was saying there was no need to compromise because this wouldn't be an issue later because we "addressed" the issue back then. Yet here were are, not even 6 months later dealing with the same issue.
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It also takes two to tango.
 
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