UAW On Strike

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And I am eating crow. The plant in Athens is a spinoff of the Toyota-Mazda venture called Toyota Boshoku. Apologies to everyone (but Ras just cause). The Boshoku is building components for the ToyMaz facility and is in Athens, not Huntsville.

Sorry guys, I like my crow deep fried with a side of cole slaw and potato salad!
 
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VolStrom said:
Ever notice that the "too big to let fail" companies are always huge manufacturers and banks. If Google or Facebook or Twitter went tits up do you think the government would do one single thing to help them?
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For those three companies, yes. They provide the majority of the governments intel on it's citizens.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
You're wanting to argue something you don't know dick about.......as usual. THAT is your problem. You can draw all the maps you want but Athens as of yet, is NOT a part of Huntsville nor is it a part of Madison. The fact that something all the way to the Elk River is considered Huntsville is moronic. I guess next you will tell me that Decatur is in Huntsville.
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Metro Huntsville...
Just like Murfreesboro and Franklin are part of Metro Nashville.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
You're wanting to argue something you don't know dick about.......as usual. THAT is your problem. You can draw all the maps you want but Athens as of yet, is NOT a part of Huntsville nor is it a part of Madison. The fact that something all the way to the Elk River is considered Huntsville is moronic. I guess next you will tell me that Decatur is in Huntsville.
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I think you are overestimating the give a **** level involved here.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Metro Huntsville...
Just like Murfreesboro and Franklin are part of Metro Nashville.
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Makes you wonder how many people remember there was even space between places like Murfreesboro, Smyrna, and La Vergne, or even that there was Sewart Air Force Base in Smyrna. Or driving by the Lane Furniture plant in Smyrna ... seems like the railroad tracks crossed US 41 near the Lane plant in those days ... way before I-24 came into being..
 
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AM64 said:
Makes you wonder how many people remember there was even space between places like Murfreesboro, Smyrna, and La Vergne, or even that there was Sewart Air Force Base in Smyrna. Or driving by the Lane Furniture plant in Smyrna ... seems like the railroad tracks crossed US 41 near the Lane plant in those days ... way before I-24 came into being..
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That's my problem. County line road was marked by Mills Beverages. It was a long empty ride from Athens to Mills and a long ride into Huntsville. You didn't even slow down in Madison.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
We're all part of Metro Atlanta.
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I live in TN but actually below 35 degrees. I always swore that if Chattanooga kept up it's land grab, I'd bring up the TN GA line problem. However, I don't want the state line moved to the real location because I don't want Atlanta to get access to that little loop of the Tennessee River so they can drain the Tennessee River, too. When you are running out of natural resources, have the common sense to limit growth.
 
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As Historic Auto Union Strike Starts, White House Prepares Emergency Aid | ZeroHedge

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If these sources are correct, it would contradict the president who stated ten days ago while at his luxurious beach house in Rehoboth beach: "I'm not worried about a strike. I don't think it's going to happen." On Monday, Deputy Treasury Secretary Wally Adeyemo reaffirmed Biden's position that 'strikes will be averted'.
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Orangeburst said:
45% pay increase, 20% less hours. All for a ****** car.
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The Teamsters announced if there is a strike by the UAW they will support it and not deliver cars. How is this not a violation of our antitrust laws. Unions are corporations controlling labor and need to be recognized as such. They aren't some benevolent charity looking our for poor and overworked workers. Unions like the UAW need to be broken up, so that one union cannot represent or act in concert with fellow unions to control an entire industry.
 
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AM64 said:
The Teamsters announced if there is a strike by the UAW they will support it and not deliver cars. How is this not a violation of our antitrust laws. Unions are corporations controlling labor and need to be recognized as such. They aren't some benevolent charity looking our for poor and overworked workers. Unions like the UAW need to be broken up, so that one union cannot represent or act in concert with fellow unions to control an entire industry.
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Unions are outdated and past their prime in most industries. This is one industry. The leaders are mostly democrats.

The American car companies struggle with issues like this while other foreign car companies in America don't.

They will never be able to get rid of these unions unless business collapses.
 
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I worked for a company that had a strike.

The union refused the original offer .

They settled for less than the original when the younger workers were fixing to cross.

It ended near Thanksgiving.

The older workers used their seniority to take all their PTO in December. Screwing over the less senior employees.

My boss had to attend sensitivity training for returning strike employees.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Unions are outdated and past their prime in most industries. This is one industry. The leaders are mostly democrats.

The American car companies struggle with issues like this while other foreign car companies in America don't.

They will never be able to get rid of these unions unless business collapses.
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I will say Sean O’Brien and the Teamster negotiators did a good job on our New UPS Contract.
 
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appvol said:
I will say Sean O’Brien and the Teamster negotiators did a good job on our New UPS Contract.
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Does the UPS contract impact the drivers only or the entire company?

The UAW stuff only impacts the plant workers. They want 36% - 45% wage increase over 4 1/2 years. This excludes all employees on the financial services side of these companies. There is no way these companies can explain offering such disparities in packages like 32 hour work weeks to plant employees while financial services divisions get nothing. These are mostly unskilled jobs.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Does the UPS contract impact the drivers only or the entire company?

The UAW stuff only impacts the plant workers. They want 36% - 45% wage increase over 4 1/2 years. This excludes all employees on the financial services side of these companies. There is no way these companies can explain offering such disparities in packages like 32 hour work weeks to plant employees while financial services divisions get nothing. These are mostly unskilled jobs.
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Drivers, other Full time employees and Part time employees. 340,000 employees. Management doesn’t get anything.
 
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This is great. Unions unwittingly (because they leaders are often poorly educated) spur innovation in automation and outsourcing through their tired Jimmy Hoffa-esque tactics.

This does a few things:

- Make right to work states that much more appealing to manufacturers
- Make outsourcing work that much more appealing to manufacturers
- Allow other competition without unionized workers or weaker unions to gain or increase footholds in the market

Whenever ANYONE talks about why manufacturing has moved overseas, thank a dues paying union member.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Unions are outdated and past their prime in most industries. This is one industry. The leaders are mostly democrats.

The American car companies struggle with issues like this while other foreign car companies in America don't.

They will never be able to get rid of these unions unless business collapses.
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Not totally true. Move manufacturing to right to work states. That may not get rid of the union but it will erode their member base overtime. I work for the Feds and the public unions, even in non right to work states, are join if you want to. I've seen the union I used to belong to go from thousands of members to 200 or less and I am proud to be one of the causes of that by reclassifying jobs to not be bargaining unit eligible, beating the union in court over and over, and sowing discontent among their ranks by telling lower level members what their leadership does with their dues. My favorite thing to do though is to randomly print instructions on how to start decertification petitions for unions with a link to the NLRB and just leave them in a printer for a bargaining member to find.

I expect my employees union not to exist within the next 5 to 10 years.

 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Not totally true. Move manufacturing to right to work states. That may not get rid of the union but it will erode their member base overtime. I work for the Feds and the public unions, even in non right to work states, are join if you want to. I've seen the union I used to belong to go from thousands of members to 200 or less and I am proud to be one of the causes of that by reclassifying jobs to not be bargaining unit eligible, beating the union in court over and over, and sowing discontent among their ranks by telling lower level members what their leadership does with their dues. My favorite thing to do though is to randomly print instructions on how to start decertification petitions for unions with a link to the NLRB and just leave them in a printer for a bargaining member to find.

I expect my employees union not to exist within the next 5 to 10 years.

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Yeah the issue with a lot of these places is of you're hired you automatically have to join the union in these places. They also struggle deals with limited on contractors to make sure these companies can't fill their employment needs in cases of strikes. Let's see how these one goes. Apparently the UAW leader is a Stellantis electrician.
 
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