The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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RockyTop85 said:
That’s hearsay in a trial against Trump. Can’t think of an applicable exception off top of my head. Not sure if it’s enough to sever the cases.

Otherwise seems like a circumstantial case. Pretty strong motive for Nauta to act alone since he knows he’s on video moving the boxes.

Thinking tactically, it may be to drive a wedge between Nauta and Trump. Trump’s best defense in this case is to throw Nauta under the bus and Nauta has to know it.
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I'm not a lawyer but I watch a lot of Law and Order and they are all the time arguing hearsay. Would one of the hearsay exceptions be admissions against penal interests (saw that in a recent episode)?

Interesting article on Yahoo's news board said Trump is having a hard time finding front line legal talent. Multiple reasons include: (1) his habit to not pay his lawyers, (2) many lawyers that are in large firms can't get approval to take the case because other lawyers would lose clients, (3) Trump won't quit talking about the cases thereby giving the prosecutors more ammo, and (4) (this is a big one) he occasionally doesn't tell his lawyers the truth or the whole story.

As I've said before, Jack Smith is top of the pyramid. Would you really want to go to war against him using 2nd tier attorneys?
 
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WBO said:
I'm not a lawyer but I watch a lot of Law and Order and they are all the time arguing hearsay. Would one of the hearsay exceptions be admissions against penal interests (saw that in a recent episode)?

Interesting article on Yahoo's news board said Trump is having a hard time finding front line legal talent. Multiple reasons include: (1) his habit to not pay his lawyers, (2) many lawyers that are in large firms can't get approval to take the case because other lawyers would lose clients, (3) Trump won't quit talking about the cases thereby giving the prosecutors more ammo, and (4) (this is a big one) he occasionally doesn't tell his lawyers the truth or the whole story.

As I've said before, Jack Smith is top of the pyramid. Would you really want to go to war against him using 2nd tier attorneys?
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Jack Smith is scum and I hope of Trump or any other R gets elected he gets prosecuted
 
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OrangeBoro said:
Jack Smith is scum and I hope of Trump or any other R gets elected he gets prosecuted
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Now there's a well-reasoned comprehensive retort. Of course you have to ask what he could be prosecuted for. It's not like he desecrated the Capitol or encouraged other people to do so. I don't think he took classified documents home AFTER he was out of office. And I don't think Smith has lied about the 2020 election and tried to overturn the legitimate election results.

Reality, it's a biotch.
 
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OrangeBoro said:
Jack Smith is scum and I hope of Trump or any other R gets elected he gets prosecuted
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LOL

The irony is too thick.

Jack Smith is prosecuting the LAW and you don't like him because you believe politically motivated weaponization of the law to be wrong but you also hope "Trump or any other R gets elected so they can prosecute him."

Good grief. Go sit in the corner and think about your life decisions. You're a friggin' cartoon.
 
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Septic said:
LOL

The irony is too thick.

Jack Smith is prosecuting the LAW and you don't like him because you believe politically motivated weaponization of the law to be wrong but you also hope "Trump or any other R gets elected so they can prosecute him."

Good grief. Go sit in the corner and think about your life decisions. You're a friggin' cartoon.
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I hope to live long enough to see the tables turned
 
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Trump should go down as one of the stupidest people ever if he gets taken down for deleting something from a hard drive.
He railed on what Hilary did for years and he can'f find a bottle of bleach bit or a hammer? What a moe
 
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hog88 said:
I have no doubt that you do. But realistically the logistics of imprisoning a President would be crazy, he would still be entitled to his staff, office and SS protection.
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Obviously imprisoning a sitting president would trigger a constitutional crisis. But if American's were dumb enough to elect a twice impeached, criminally indicted or convicted candidate - then we'd all get what we deserved.

My assertion was that a 'former' President should be eligible for the same kind of legal jeopardy as any other ordinary swinging dick.
 
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Septic said:
Obviously imprisoning a sitting president would trigger a constitutional crisis. But if American's were dumb enough to elect a twice impeached, criminally indicted or convicted candidate - then we'd all get what we deserved.

My assertion was that a 'former' President should be eligible for the same kind of legal jeopardy as any other ordinary swinging dick.
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Once a president they are always referred to as president, I shouldn't have had to put "former" in front of it for you to understand what I was talking about.

Yes I agree that a president (former) should be treated like everyone else it's just not realistic. There are no provisions that I know of that would strip him of his benefits of being a president (former) for a felony conviction short of a conviction for treason.
 
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Septic said:
I hope you're wrong. Alas, i suspect that dumb donny will plead out to some lesser charge to avoid any real consequence.
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Come on Septic. Hoping a President goes to prison over what amounts to a political prosecution? It will not be a good look and would even further divide the country if such a thing is possible.

I think the Bidens, along with just about everyone in Washington, are corrupt, but would not want to see Joe sent to prison even if at this point irrefutable proof he grifted as VP and/or P came to light. It would smack of and be a political prosecution. And I pretty much hate that old senile fart with stronger feelings against him than any other President.

It may sound hypocritical, but yeah, the President is different from the rest of us. Senators, Reps, etc, send them to prison, but the President just gets retired and should be publicly shamed universally.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Come on Septic. Hoping a President goes to prison over what amounts to a political prosecution? It will not be a good look and would even further divide the country if such a thing is possible.

I think the Bidens, along with just about everyone in Washington, are corrupt, but would not want to see Joe sent to prison even if at this point irrefutable proof he grifted as VP and/or P came to light. It would smack of and be a political prosecution. And I pretty much hate that old senile fart with stronger feelings against him than any other President.

It may sound hypocritical, but yeah, the President is different from the rest of us. Senators, Reps, etc, send them to prison, but the President just gets retired and should be publicly shamed universally.
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Hoping a *former* president goes to prison for breaking the law. Damn right.

This whole "weaponization" thing is bullsh*t. If he broke the law he should pay the piper. Full stop.

Blaming the DOJ and the prosecutor tasked with its prosecution is just that, deflection and blame to redirect away from the fact that LAWS were broken.

I don't care if it's Biden or Trump, R, D or I.

Trump has groomed the R's to believe he's been a victim of the government and media and law enforcement from the beginning. He's poisoned the well against every institution that could threaten him or hold him accountable. And folks that already were distrustful of the government or the media or LEO's lapped it up. Still do.

So yeah, if trump has broken the law - F him. he should be subject to the same prosecution as you or I would be. In fact a president should be held to a higher standard.


The fact that donny ran his campaign against Hillary and her flouting of the law and that she should be 'locked up' is just delicious irony.
 
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Septic said:
Hoping a *former* president goes to prison for breaking the law. Damn right.

This whole "weaponization" thing is bullsh*t. If he broke the law he should pay the piper. Full stop.

Blaming the DOJ and the prosecutor tasked with its prosecution is just that, deflection and blame to redirect away from the fact that LAWS were broken.

I don't care if it's Biden or Trump, R, D or I.

Trump has groomed the R's to believe he's been a victim of the government and media and law enforcement from the beginning. He's poisoned the well against every institution that could threaten him or hold him accountable. And folks that already were distrustful of the government or the media or LEO's lapped it up. Still do.

So year, if trump has broken the law - F him. he should be subject to the same prosecution as you or I would be. In fact a president should be held to a higher standard.
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Respect your position. And to be sure I did not say all laws. If he commits treason or such, hell yeah shoot him. My position is someone has to be the adult in the room when it appears to be a political prosecution. On that score, we have to agree to disagree.

I know you hate all things Trump and as a byproduct of that to dump on his supporters. But gracious man, for a minute consider how they see things. He has been accused of so many things that turned out false, were made up, etc, etc. Adam Schiff, for example, has looked like an absolute fool for the last five years. The news media has hardly gotten anything right about him and seized upon the latest rumor no matter how flimsy. The NY charges are pure political hocum. Look at how deranged EL is about him. I get it, Trump is a populist and gave voice to the blue collar and middle class that felt like the elite didn't care what they thought anymore. He couldn't be controlled. I don't like a lot of things about him. But my choice was him or a crooked elite in her own right or a walking vegetable who has steadly swung to the extreme left of the Democratic party with whom I have almost zero common interests with. Who the hell was I supposed to vote for?

But I get it. You finally got him this time.
 
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