That's racist!

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

They created the same type classes right after desegregation except back in the day they were called dummy classes.

 

[volgr]

Teacher: Let me axe you...If you got 99 problems and a b1tch aint one, how many problems you left wit?

 

[C-south]

Black man charged with murdering two White strangers in Oklahoma because of their race

 

[FLVOL_79]

Odd..when I was in high school the fact that it was calculus (or pre calculus) made it segregated.

 

[85SugarVol]

Kinda. Some of Her ancestors were anyway it seems. Then she married Mark Antony of Greece right?

Regardless she was never black in any way, shape, or form...and indigenous Egyptians look more like Osama Bin Laden or Jesus than ANY black or white person. Keep in mind that genetically speaking there are what 3 distinct races of people? The Bible refers to them as Shemites (brown folks), Hamites (black folks), and Japhethites (white folks) all being descendents of the 3 sons of Noah.

Trying to remember who our resident afrocentric idiot is here on VN that likes to tell us that black people from Africa built the pyramids, invented the wheel, fire, every tool known to man, every invention on Earth etc and the evil Whitey came and stole all of their immense knowledge and technology....then wrote false textbooks and every historical document ever discovered so that they could steal literally every good thing from the black man and take it for themselves. Ktown king maybe? That sheit was a hoot....

This was all Pre-Wakanda though...so he may have completely changed his worldview now in order to incorporate Wakanda as the grue motherland. Sadly, there is a small % of the US population that actually believes Wakanda is or ever was a real place. Sad but true.

I believe ole 79 knows about the different races of humans that are cited by genealogists etc...he has posted them before. We are all in 1 big mixing pot of a genetic pool...I doubt that very many of us humans exist that do not have ancestors from each of the races in our bloodlines. We are far, far more alike than we have ever been different. Why people are bent on pointing out every tiny difference between us, rather than all the many things we have in common is a question i cannot figure out?

Sounds like @Dobbs 4 Heisman to me

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Kinda. Some of Her ancestors were anyway it seems. Then she married Mark Antony of Greece right?

Regardless she was never black in any way, shape, or form...and indigenous Egyptians look more like Osama Bin Laden or Jesus than ANY black or white person. Keep in mind that genetically speaking there are what 3 distinct races of people? The Bible refers to them as Shemites (brown folks), Hamites (black folks), and Japhethites (white folks) all being descendents of the 3 sons of Noah.

I'm so glad you know some biblical history. But it seems you don't know it all. According to the Bible, Egypt (which is referred to as Mizraim) is a brother of Kush (which is the biblical name for Ancient Nubia). Both were sons of Ham. And as you astutely pointed out according to biblical tradition, Ham is considered the father of the black race.

Thus according to the Bible the Ancient Egyptians were black. And by the way the Bible isn't the only ancient source to say the Ancient Egyptians were black. The Ancient Greeks and Romans also stated many times that the Egyptians were black and most closely related to the Nubians.

Now does this make Cleopatra black? If you go by the American rule where any amount of black blood makes you black then she almost certainly was. Her father was Greek. But her mother was suspected to be at least partially native Egyptian. And as the Bible has already established the Ancient Egyptians were black.

The fact the Netflix documentary uses a biracial black woman to play Cleopatra does seem to be historically justified despite the attempts at whitewashing Ancient Egypt in modern times.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Sounds like @Dobbs 4 Heisman to me

I personally don't care that much for the Ptolemic period of Egyptian history. I'm more interested in the Dynastic period when fully black Africans ruled over Kemet.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Black man charged with murdering two White strangers in Oklahoma because of their race

White privilege

 

[Carl Pickens]

 

[85SugarVol]

I personally don't care that much for the Ptolemic period of Egyptian history. I'm more interested in the Dynastic period when fully black Africans ruled over Kemet.

There he is.

Why don’t you care for the Ptolemaic period?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

There he is.

Why don’t you care for the Ptolemaic period?

It's not native African rule over Kemet but rather an outside force ruling over African land.

 

[EasternVol]

I'm so glad you know some biblical history. But it seems you don't know it all. According to the Bible, Egypt (which is referred to as Mizraim) is a brother of Kush (which is the biblical name for Ancient Nubia). Both were sons of Ham. And as you astutely pointed out according to biblical tradition, Ham is considered the father of the black race.

Thus according to the Bible the Ancient Egyptians were black. And by the way the Bible isn't the only ancient source to say the Ancient Egyptians were black. The Ancient Greeks and Romans also stated many times that the Egyptians were black and most closely related to the Nubians.

Now does this make Cleopatra black? If you go by the American rule where any amount of black blood makes you black then she almost certainly was. Her father was Greek. But her mother was suspected to be at least partially native Egyptian. And as the Bible has already established the Ancient Egyptians were black.

The fact the Netflix documentary uses a biracial black woman to play Cleopatra does seem to be historically justified despite the attempts at whitewashing Ancient Egypt in modern times.

Is there a credible source that her mother's side was native Egyptian? All I've seen indicates that she was European with no mention of Egyptian ancestry.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Is there a credible source that her mother's side was native Egyptian? All I've seen indicates that she was European with no mention of Egyptian ancestry.

There's actually no information on who Cleopatra's mother was. It's suspected she was Egyptian because it was common back then for there to be mixing in Lower Egypt between native Egyptians and outsiders. It's one of the reasons Upper Egypt (which is in the South near the border with Sudan) was always considered more the home of the true Egyptian than the northern parts of Egypt. Even to this day if you were to travel to Upper Egypt you would see the native Egyptians there have a more African appearance than the more Arab looking northern Egyptians.

The biggest thing you have to understand is the Ancient Greeks had a lot more respect for black people than modern day Europeans. Some might even say they admired black Africans given how important they figured into alot of Ancient Greek mythology. So the idea of Greek royalty marrying Africans wasn't considered taboo in the way you might think coming from our 21st century outlook on race relations. During the times of Ancient Greek rule over Egypt it was very common for there to be interracial marriages even in the highest levels of Greek-Egyptian society.

 

[EasternVol]

The worry about cancelling myself kept me up all night. I only got 7 hours of sleep.

What Looter doesnt understand is that for some races if left up to their own devices, would still be in a stone age posture. There is a reason why ancient humans left Africa after eating more protein and growing bigger brains..

Well this is an appropriate thread for such a comment. What races would still be stone age if left to their own devices?

 

[FLVOL_79]

Well this is an appropriate thread for such a comment. What races would still be stone age if left to their own devices?

Races found in sub Saharan Africa and all of them in the western hemisphere. Race might be a poor choice of words, lets just go with people since we really only have 3 races. When ancient humans migrated out of sub Saharan Africa and evolved they became more advanced. Why did that advancement mostly contain itself mostly in Europe and eastern Asia? Racism of course.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Well this is an appropriate thread for such a comment. What races would still be stone age if left to their own devices?

Races might not be accurate. There were populations of races that were. Native North American Indians, for example, were pretty much stone-age. Many African tribes were barely iron-age when they clashed with Europeans.

While there are some criticisms of it, an interesting book to read is Guns, Germs and Steel that posits environmental factors played the most important role in the advancement of some civilizations over others.

 

[EasternVol]

Races found in sub Saharan Africa and all of them in the western hemisphere. Race might be a poor choice of words, lets just go with people since we really only have 3 races. When ancient humans migrated out of sub Saharan Africa and evolved they became more advanced. Why did that advancement mostly contain itself mostly in Europe and eastern Asia? Racism of course.

Some became more advanced and some didn't. Sub-Saharan Africa and the Americas south of what is now the US had metalworking and other attributes of 'advanced' civilization, so not stone age. And of course West and South Asia were way ahead of Europe way back when. I would have named Melanesia/Oceania and Micronesia/Polynesia as stone age societies before European contact. But even those societies had their advancements and adaptations.
I don't know what the latest theories are on why civilizations develop technology but I suppose it's environmental rather than racial. The antique theory I was taught in elementary school was that it was mainly due to climate: temperate climates gave rise to technological advancements because life was easy enough to have some spare time apart from scraping out an existence and uncomfortable enough to motivate people use that spare time to alter their environment, while in cold areas it took every effort just to survive, and in the tropics innovation wasn't so necessary since nature readily provided everything needed to live.

 

[EasternVol]

Races might not be accurate. There were populations of races that were. Native North American Indians, for example, were pretty much stone-age. Many African tribes were barely iron-age when they clashed with Europeans.

While there are some criticisms of it, an interesting book to read is Guns, Germs and Steel that posits environmental factors played the most important role in the advancement of some civilizations over others.

I've meant for ages to read that. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Races found in sub Saharan Africa and all of them in the western hemisphere. Race might be a poor choice of words, lets just go with people since we really only have 3 races. When ancient humans migrated out of sub Saharan Africa and evolved they became more advanced. Why did that advancement mostly contain itself mostly in Europe and eastern Asia? Racism of course.

I've got a question for you. If this is true then why did the Ancient Greeks credit Sub-Saharan Africans with the creation of civilization?



Racism is a new thing for white people. If you look at the way Ancient Europeans looked at Africans it was with great admiration to the point that the Greeks themselves said the Gods favored the Africans above everyone else.

 

[85SugarVol]

Is there a credible source that her mother's side was native Egyptian? All I've seen indicates that she was European with no mention of Egyptian ancestry.

There is no evidence that Cleopatra’s mother was native Egyptian. It is an unknown.

There are some though who like to posit questions such as - “why couldn’t Cleopatra’s mother been a black native Egyptian?”

What we do know though is that genomic analysis of DNA from ancient Egyptians covering the New Kingdom up through the Roman era shows they were most closely related to another ancient people from present day Israel and Jordan.

So if Cleopatra’s mother was indeed “native Egyptian” (which is certainly possible), she most likely would have looked Middle Eastern.

Certainly not the “Black Queen” that D4H dreams of.

 

[C-south]

I've got a question for you. If this is true then why did the Ancient Greeks credit Sub-Saharan Africans with the creation of civilization?



Racism is a new thing for white people. If you look at the way Ancient Europeans looked at Africans it was with great admiration to the point that the Greeks themselves said the Gods favored the Africans above everyone else.

Which makes you wonder why they sold their people, resources, and still struggle to do anything that resembles a modern civilization.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Which makes you wonder why they sold their people, resources, and still struggle to do anything that resembles a modern civilization.

There was also a time when the Greeks were leaders of Europe and the Germanic tribes to their north were barbarians. But guess what times change. I agree that this information is shocking to our senses given we live in a world where the African is at the bottom. So it's hard to believe there was ever a time they were on top. But the historical record is clear.

The lesson I get from this is that we should never take our current circumstances for granted whether good or bad. Nations rise and fall. Learn from history or you'll be doomed to repeat it. The wise European shouldn't scoff at the notion Africans once ruled the world. Instead appreciate how far they've fallen and realize the same could happen to you if you don't learn from the past.

 

[85SugarVol]

There was also a time when the Greeks were leaders of Europe and the Germanic tribes to their north were barbarians. But guess what times change. I agree that this information is shocking to our senses given we live in a world where the African is at the bottom. So it's hard to believe there was ever a time they were on top. But the historical record is clear.

The lesson I get from this is that we should never take our current circumstances for granted whether good or bad. Nations rise and fall. Learn from history or you'll be doomed to repeat it. The wise European shouldn't scoff at the notion Africans once ruled the world. Instead appreciate how far they've fallen and realize the same could happen to you if you don't learn from the past.

What part of history are you referencing when Africa ruled the world?

There were sub-sharan African empires of great wealth, but I’m not sure about their global reach and ability to project power.