That's racist!

[Sea Ray]

There are many communities where it is an issue. Certainly not confined to the black community.

No other community has a number like 85%

 

[KB5252]

There are multiple factors and they obviously wouldn't be the same for each individual.
The vast majority of children rise to the educational level of their parents. College educated parents raise kids who will be college educated. Dropouts raise dropouts. Stated another way, kids value education at about the same degree as does the parent.

This first factor obviously plays a major role in a second factor which is readiness entering first grade. Kids who start behind tend to stay behind and kids who start ahead tend to stay ahead.

A third factor, intertwined with the first two, is the level belief in the concept that an education is the ticket to a better life. A single mom who is a high school drop out but who truly believes in the value of education can raise a kid that goes to an Ivy League school - I've seen it happen. (I've also seen kids from two parent homes with both parents having college degrees, drop out)
But those are certainly the exceptions and not the rule.

I agree with the vast majority of this but also want to add the age at which parents have children is a factor as well. According to some studies I've read in the past, kids born to parents in their 30's often achieve at a higher level in school than kids born to parents in the teens or twenties.

Certainly some overlap in the reasons you stated above but I'd argue maturity level and priorities of parents are also at play.

 

[luthervol]

No other community has a number like 85%

Sure they do. Appalachia, West Virginia (the lowest state - and 93% white), Native Americans - it's the poor and disenfranchised.
Three of the lowest scoring counties in TN are Anderson (92% white), Sevier (95% white), and Claiborn (95% white).

To think of it as a racial issue is to completely miss the real picture.

 

[luthervol]

I agree with the vast majority of this but also want to add the age at which parents have children is a factor as well. Avoiding to some studies I've read in the past that kids born to parents in their 30's often achieve at a higher level in school than kids born to parents in the teens or twenties.

Certainly some overlap in the reasons you stated above but I'd argue maturity level and priorities of parents are also at play.

100% agree. The longer the first child is delayed, the better according to most metrics.
One of the worst things for our society is teenage pregnancies.....usually unwanted.
Not only does it continue the problems, it usually increases them exponentially.

 

[Sea Ray]

Sure they do. Appalachia, West Virginia (the lowest state - and 93% white), Native Americans - it's the poor and disenfranchised.
Three of the lowest scoring counties in TN are Anderson (92% white), Sevier (95% white), and Claiborn (95% white).

To think of it as a racial issue is to completely miss the real picture.

Those are pockets or for lack of a better term, small sample size. If you don't think there's an education problem in the black community then you're doing them a disservice

 

[luthervol]

Those are pockets or for lack of a better term, small sample size. If you don't think there's an education problem in the black community then you're doing them a disservice

Please - why try and make it something so simplistic and misleading?
The problem is with the poor and disenfranchised - in every race and in every part of the country - rural and urban.
If you want to argue that a larger percentage of the black population is poor and/or disenfranchised, then you'd be correct.
100 randomly selected black students from the suburbs of Atlanta will beat the hell out of the scores from 100 white students randomly selected from a coal mining region in West Virginia.

It has VERY little to do with race.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Please - why try and make it something so simplistic and misleading?
The problem is with the poor and disenfranchised - in every race and in every part of the country - rural and urban.
If you want to argue that a larger percentage of the black population is poor and/or disenfranchised, then you'd be correct.
100 randomly selected black students from the suburbs of Atlanta will beat the hell out of the scores from 100 white students randomly selected from a coal mining region in West Virginia.

It has VERY little to do with race.

Science denier now eh?

And black kids in the black burbs of Atlanta would still get trounced by inbred West Virginia coal mining kids.

 

[Sea Ray]

Please - why try and make it something so simplistic and misleading?
The problem is with the poor and disenfranchised - in every race and in every part of the country - rural and urban.
If you want to argue that a larger percentage of the black population is poor and/or disenfranchised, then you'd be correct.
100 randomly selected black students from the suburbs of Atlanta will beat the hell out of the scores from 100 white students randomly selected from a coal mining region in West Virginia.

It has VERY little to do with race.

Personally I think it has to do with two parent households. Black community doesn't value marriage before having kids

 

[luthervol]

Science denier now eh?

And black kids in the black burbs of Atlanta would still get trounced by inbred West Virginia coal mining kids.

Are you serious with this post????

You may have just cancelled yourself.

 

[luthervol]

Personally I think it has to do with two parent households. Black community doesn't value marriage before having kids

It's certainly a factor, but not the most critical.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Science denier now eh?

And black kids in the black burbs of Atlanta would still get trounced by inbred West Virginia coal mining kids.

The last person I would ask for an opinion on the state of education in this country is a current or former leftist teacher.

 

[allvol123]

I feel your pain Deion. Only 1 Ivy League player drafted. That damned racist NFL!

 

[82_VOL_83]

There are multiple factors and they obviously wouldn't be the same for each individual.
The vast majority of children rise to the educational level of their parents. College educated parents raise kids who will be college educated. Dropouts raise dropouts. Stated another way, kids value education at about the same degree as does the parent.

This first factor obviously plays a major role in a second factor which is readiness entering first grade. Kids who start behind tend to stay behind and kids who start ahead tend to stay ahead.

A third factor, intertwined with the first two, is the level belief in the concept that an education is the ticket to a better life. A single mom who is a high school drop out but who truly believes in the value of education can raise a kid that goes to an Ivy League school - I've seen it happen. (I've also seen kids from two parent homes with both parents having college degrees, drop out)
But those are certainly the exceptions and not the rule.

Except for your 2nd sentence, this may be the most intelligent thing I have ever read from you. Kinda like the lotto. Never expect to see it again.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I agree with the vast majority of this but also want to add the age at which parents have children is a factor as well. According to some studies I've read in the past, kids born to parents in their 30's often achieve at a higher level in school than kids born to parents in the teens or twenties.

Certainly some overlap in the reasons you stated above but I'd argue maturity level and priorities of parents are also at play.

That age becomes older as time goes on. Maturity levels on the average are getting older every generation. This has to do with our "desired" standard of living. There are not that many dirt poor people anymore. Yes, a lot live in poverty, but compared to the rest of the world, they are rich.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Personally I think it has to do with two parent households. The US by and large doesn't value marriage before having kids

 

[Sea Ray]

That's not an accurate quote of mine. Don't attribute those words to me. They're not mine

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Bomani Jones And Domonique Foxworth: NFL Thinks Fans Hate Black People, Could Change Rules To Favor White QBs

 

[KB5252]

Bomani Jones And Domonique Foxworth: NFL Thinks Fans Hate Black People, Could Change Rules To Favor White QBs

It was just a plain stupid conversation. And the premise of his point is completely off base. The newer rules have benefited athletic qb's and have been geared toward protecting them and that position in general.

 

[82_VOL_83]

That's not an accurate quote of mine. Don't attribute those words to me. They're not mine

 

[82_VOL_83]

That's not an accurate quote of mine. Don't attribute those words to me. They're not mine

I know. I just helped it a little.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Are you serious with this post????

You may have just cancelled yourself.

Yep, both parts. Just because you teach hood rats doesn't mean they are smarter than a West Virginian. In fact I would wager a pack of crushed newports its the opposite.

 

[ButchPlz]

That age becomes older as time goes on. Maturity levels on the average are getting older every generation. This has to do with our "desired" standard of living. There are not that many dirt poor people anymore. Yes, a lot live in poverty, but compared to the rest of the world, they are rich.

Not really on topic, but most Americans have no idea what actual poverty is.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Are you serious with this post????

You may have just cancelled yourself.

Cancelled himself? Wtf

Yep, both parts. Just because you teach hood rats doesn't mean they are smarter than a West Virginian. In fact I would wager a pack of crushed newports its the opposite.

omg dude…. Don’t go and cancel yourself

 

[FLVOL_79]

Cancelled himself? Wtf

omg dude…. Don’t go and cancel yourself

The worry about cancelling myself kept me up all night. I only got 7 hours of sleep.

What Looter doesnt understand is that for some races if left up to their own devices, would still be in a stone age posture. There is a reason why ancient humans left Africa after eating more protein and growing bigger brains..