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SamRebel35 said:
How many times has a terrible college qb turned into a legit NFL star?
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Probably zero?

Even Allen, Brady, etc. I'd say terrible is something like 1:1 td:int ratio. A qbr in the 120s. Guys that have probably never ever been drafted to begin so we're talking camp guys to begin with.

Brady - Career 134 qbr, peak 138 (B1G)
Allen - Career 137, peak 144 (MWC)

Not that it's some end-all, be-all, but as I'm no expert cutting up every single play, like something PFF or actual franchise analysts might do, QBR is the best all-encompassing stat to show good or bad play in general I know of. That or ESPN's total qbr which incorporates running, but has its own shortcomings and some absurd result outputs.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Didn't the Titans just draft a QB last year that they're having to move away from this year? And now they're doing so by drafting a college QB that is demonstrably bad in game action, reportedly sporting an attitude that other orgs passed on, and is arguably a head case.

So, is this a UT/UK rivalry response, or a fanbase noting TWO wasted draft picks on QBs while the building burns in the background?

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Has nothing to do with him being from UK. Titan fans would have been thrilled with BY from AL or several other SEC QBs. It was a combination of things that had Titan fans that are not even Volunteer fans upset with the choice.
 
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At best, I was a casual Titans' fan. Far, far from a die hard. So it's not that hard to look at this from a non-fan perspective. They're going about rebuilding all wrong IMO. And it wasn't just the Levis pick. I mean, the Levis pick was bad. A QB who has continually shown poor decision-making skills when you might not have an OL good enough to protect him is bad. But then you draft a RB with your next pick with known ACL problems? Other than their first-round pick, which I think was a good one, the rest of their draft is highly questionable. As for saying the WR they drafted had "elite" numbers at the combine, there's a reason he wasn't drafted higher. Maybe he was good value where they got him, maybe, but many fans think they should have addressed the position earlier.

Taking into account the QBs in next year's draft, which an NFL GM trying to rebuild should do, the Levis pick just looks worse IMO. OL and WR was the way to go in this draft IMO. Develop those while aiming for a better QB in next year's draft that can step in and take advantage of the groundwork you've already laid.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Didn't the Titans just draft a QB last year that they're having to move away from this year? And now they're doing so by drafting a college QB that is demonstrably bad in game action, reportedly sporting an attitude that other orgs passed on, and is arguably a head case.

So, is this a UT/UK rivalry response, or a fanbase noting TWO wasted draft picks on QBs while the building burns in the background?

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Keeps getting better lol
 
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Weezer said:
At best, I was a casual Titans' fan. Far, far from a die hard. So it's not that hard to look at this from a non-fan perspective. They're going about rebuilding all wrong IMO. And it wasn't just the Levis pick. I mean, the Levis pick was bad. A QB who has continually shown poor decision-making skills when you might not have an OL good enough to protect him is bad. But then you draft a RB with your next pick with known ACL problems? Other than their first-round pick, which I think was a good one, the rest of their draft is highly questionable. As for saying the WR they drafted had "elite" numbers at the combine, there's a reason he wasn't drafted higher. Maybe he was good value where they got him, maybe, but many fans think they should have addressed the position earlier.

Taking into account the QBs in next year's draft, which an NFL GM trying to rebuild should do, the Levis pick just looks worse IMO. OL and WR was the way to go in this draft IMO. Develop those while aiming for a better QB in next year's draft that can step in and take advantage of the groundwork you've already laid.
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This seems so obvious to me. I’m not even a casual Titans fan so don’t really care other than they have the name Tennessee and not even trying to be good. But the comments attacking Tennessee fans and the Tennessee team… Well, that’s not going to be forgotten.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
Funny how the Lions fans are thrilled with HH. They may not have been as thrilled if the team traded away other needs to get him. It was a combination of things about Levi’s that upset Titan fans including years of bad choices the fans could see…and were proven right.
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Good points.

If anybody knows about the years of being proven right when the program they love is obviously burning down - it is Vol fans. Titan fans, which is a different segment of football fans, are now experiencing that feeling after a decent run. Arthur Smith is no longer there to help make lemonade out of lemons.

Way to make friends and influence people, Mike Buckeye.
 
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Vols4us said:
Good points.

If anybody knows about the years of being proven right when the program they love is obviously burning down - it is Vol fans. Titan fans, which is a different segment of football fans, are now experiencing that feeling after a decent run. Arthur Smith is no longer there to help make lemonade out of lemons.

Way to make friends and influence people, Mike Buckeye.
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Exactly. This is all too familiar. The continuous bad decisions by those in charge then attack the fans if they don’t like it.
 
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Vols4us said:
Good points.

If anybody knows about the years of being proven right when the program they love is obviously burning down - it is Vol fans. Titan fans, which is a different segment of football fans, are now experiencing that feeling after a decent run. Arthur Smith is no longer there to help make lemonade out of lemons.

Way to make friends and influence people, Mike Buckeye.
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If there's one thing they can take solace in - it is that post-draft analysis of how well a team drafted has near zero relevance to how a team does.

The correlation found by fivethirtyeight is .058.

Basically dog poop. We might as well all take how we think teams did, good or bad, and wait 5 years to determine if they were good drafts or not. Almost like...college recruiting classes.

Or at least that's the silver lining I would sell to Titans fans in this time of mourning 😁
 
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Devo182 said:
If there's one thing they can take solace in - it is that post-draft analysis of how well a team drafted has near zero relevance to how a team does.

The correlation found by fivethirtyeight is .058.

Basically dog poop. We might as well all take how we think teams did, good or bad, and wait 5 years to determine if they were good drafts or not. Almost like...college recruiting classes.
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That’s true. Think it’s the desperate needs going unaddressed that had the fans upset. Kinda like not recruiting any OL.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
That’s true. Think it’s the desperate needs going unaddressed that had the fans upset. Kinda like not recruiting any OL.
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😂 O-line, who needs stinkin O-line? Titans say "hold my beer."

They signed backup O-line and D-line from other teams in FA. So that is supposed to mean they took care of the needs? Backups? Maybe they will and maybe they won't. They did not start where they were. So that means the other teams they came from had better players in front of them. Does that not tell a staff and owner something? They still have no proven LT, the blindside for a righthanded QB. Who does that to their team? The people in control of the Titans.
 
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Vols4us said:
😂 O-line, who needs stinkin O-line? Titans say "hold my beer."

They signed backup O-line and D-line from other teams in FA. So that is supposed to mean they took care of the needs? Backups? Maybe they will and maybe they won't. They did not start where they were. So that means the other teams they came from had better players in front of them. Does that not tell a staff and owner something? They still have no proven LT, the blindside for a righthanded QB. Who does that to their team? The people in control of the Titans.
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Then they attack the reporters and fans for asking them why!
 
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I'm thinking that our WRs will be better next year. I wonder if they will consider moving Bru to the other side of the field and lineup on the same side as squirrel. Thornton has the speed/size combo that will make him more productive being the only receiver on the left side. Will provide some of the big play potential that Payton provide but be able to use his body and win some 1st downs on short/intermediate routes.

Depending on matchups or in case of injury Keyton takes the spot he mostly played last year and Bru moves back to the left side.
 
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