Gun control debate (merged)

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luthervol said:
LOL....The founders bowed to the majority. They made lots of concessions to insure enough votes for ratification. They knew better than anyone how it works.
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To distinct factions. But that’s not the point.

The final document, that was ratified, makes clear that we do not bow to the majority.
 
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BTW, talking to my state rep the other night and he said that while he will vote against additional gun control laws in Tennessee, he made some interesting observations:

1) he has received numerous death threats against himself and his family…from the gun control protesters!
2) he has been spit on, been hit by thrown objects
3) oddly, the protesters in Nashville have blocked access to the restrooms
4) he has received over a thousand emails from gun control supporters
5) …and only 100 from 2A supporters. (I sent my support note the next morning)
6) virtually zero of the gun control notes were from constituents.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Why do you think protection is number 1
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I think a large number grew up with guns in the house and view it as a normal form of protection.
I think some people are overly paranoid.
But basically because it is a great and valid form of protection when handled rationally and reasonably.

Why do you feel so many do not feel the need to have a gun for protection, or in order to feel safe?

Also, nowhere in my answer was "to fight a tyrannical US government." Where does that rank, and wasn't that the whole rationale?
 
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turbovol said:
YES: I think handguns should absolutely be banned--no sale, no import, no manufacture. Total crackdown. The NRA has pushed guns on credulous Americans with its bogus "self-defense" marketing for decades---the implication being that you need to a gun to protect yourself from all the "bad guys with guns" out there. That would be bad guns with handguns, in the vast majority of cases, right? So get rid of the handguns and America becomes an exponentially safer country. Who wouldn't want a safer America?

Who? Why, the gun crazies, that's who! The people who pretend that need guns for self-defense will, when the topic of banning handguns comes up, gin up all the various excuses for why banning handguns wouldn't work. Fact is, the gun crazes don't really care about public or personal safety; they just want to play neighborhood sheriff and if a bunch of school children get murdered as a result of their fetish, well, what's a "responsible gun owner" to do, eh? Cost of a popular hobby. Japan = no gun violence, at all. Japan = no guns.
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I agree! Let's ban drugs too! No drugs, no drug addiction.
 
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luthervol said:
I think a large number grew up with guns in the house and view it as a normal form of protection.
I think some people are overly paranoid.
But basically because it is a great and valid form of protection when handled rationally and reasonably.

Why do you feel so many do not feel the need to have a gun for protection, or in order to feel safe?

Also, nowhere in my answer was "to fight a tyrannical US government." Where does that rank, and wasn't that the whole rationale?
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Do you what demographic has been purchasing guns the most recently??

As to you last question, funny thing is that PEW research had a poll for a similar question on whether gun protected from that and I believe upward of 80% of those polled both GOO and DNC believed that GUN helped protect freedom of speech...why is that do you think??

Key takeaways on Americans’ views of guns and gun ownership
 
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luthervol said:
I think a large number grew up with guns in the house and view it as a normal form of protection.
I think some people are overly paranoid.
But basically because it is a great and valid form of protection when handled rationally and reasonably.

Why do you feel so many do not feel the need to have a gun for protection, or in order to feel safe?

Also, nowhere in my answer was "to fight a tyrannical US government." Where does that rank, and wasn't that the whole rationale?
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Preventing government a monopoly of force gets all the press, but that idea springs from the primal rationale that your life is yours, you own you. You have the right to defend your life or liberty against anyone attempting to take it, use maximum force to stop aggression, and you have the right to use the most efficient tool to do so.

The right of self defense is the 2A foundation. Protecting it makes the militia possible.
No one needs a gun until they do. If they or their family were being brutalized, not one person who thinks others are paranoid for having a gun, wouldn't pick one up that magically appeared in front of them to stop it.

Like a spare tire and jack; why wait til you need it?
 
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luthervol said:
to fight a tyrannical US government." Where does that rank, and wasn't that the whole rationale?
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No, it isn't the 'whole' rationale. Americans have gotten soft (you are living proof) and have no idea what tyranny is anymore. The Greatest Generation knew. The current is too worried about pronouns and their feelings.

Have you ever been out of the country? To any third world shiz hole (Jamaica doesn't count).
 
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Big win for 2nd Amendment last night. So proud of the founders. They absolutely nailed it on gun rights. Don't know how any other country wouldn't want to copy our gun law regime.

5 dead in Texas 'execution-style' shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loose

"Police said they believe the massacre occurred after neighbors asked the suspect to stop shooting his gun in the front yard because there was a baby trying to sleep.

"My understanding is that the victims, they came over to the fence and said 'Hey could [you not do your] shooting out in the yard? We have a young baby that's trying to go to sleep," and he had been drinking and he says 'I'll do what I want to in my front yard,'" San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told KTRK."
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
No, it isn't the 'whole' rationale. Americans have gotten soft (you are living proof) and have no idea what tyranny is anymore. The Greatest Generation knew. The current is too worried about pronouns and their feelings.

Have you ever been out of the country? To any third world shiz hole (Jamaica doesn't count).
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Yes I have, but why the hell does that matter and what would it prove?
There have been areas of wealth and areas of poverty for throughout history.
 
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evillawyer said:
Big win for 2nd Amendment last night. So proud of the founders. They absolutely nailed it on gun rights. Don't know how any other country wouldn't want to copy our gun law regime.

5 dead in Texas 'execution-style' shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loose

"Police said they believe the massacre occurred after neighbors asked the suspect to stop shooting his gun in the front yard because there was a baby trying to sleep.

"My understanding is that the victims, they came over to the fence and said 'Hey could [you not do your] shooting out in the yard? We have a young baby that's trying to go to sleep," and he had been drinking and he says 'I'll do what I want to in my front yard,'" San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told KTRK."
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Oh you did finally post it. You’re not going to like this one either.
 
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NCFisher said:
Preventing government a monopoly of force gets all the press, but that idea springs from the primal rationale that your life is yours, you own you. You have the right to defend your life or liberty against anyone attempting to take it, use maximum force to stop aggression, and you have the right to use the most efficient tool to do so.

The right of self defense is the 2A foundation. Protecting it makes the militia possible.
No one needs a gun until they do. If they or their family were being brutalized, not one person who thinks others are paranoid for having a gun, wouldn't pick one up that magically appeared in front of them to stop it.

Like a spare tire and jack; why wait til you need it?
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I get all that. But under your rationale fully automatic weapons, anti-aircraft missiles. land mines, mini-nukes, and mustard gas should all be legal. And that is simple undeniably stupid and not what the founders intended.
Once that incontrovertible fact is accepted, then it logically falls to drawing a rational and reasonable line.
 
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luthervol said:
I get all that. But under your rationale fully automatic weapons, anti-aircraft missiles. land mines, mini-nukes, and mustard gas should all be legal. And that is simple undeniably stupid and not what the founders intended.
Once that incontrovertible fact is accepted, then it logically falls to drawing a rational and reasonable line.
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It's undeniably stupid, and no mere coincidence you're the only one bringing up nukes and mustard gas.

Aside from automatic rifles, none of the things you grasp at can be discriminately used for personal purposes of defense, hunting or sport, right?

I've explained this numerous times in this thread and others; firearms have everyday utility and can be borne on the person. If mustered (not mustard) the people (males)- the militia - were expected to appear with their own arms and ammo, the arms they have access to in everyday life. It was not intended they keep cannons and grapeshot at home and a duo of oxen to pull it to the militia muster. Nor a galleon in the pond with a canal/levee system to get it to sea.

Can someone find me a horse that knows how to drink?
 
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evillawyer said:
Big win for 2nd Amendment last night. So proud of the founders. They absolutely nailed it on gun rights. Don't know how any other country wouldn't want to copy our gun law regime.

5 dead in Texas 'execution-style' shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loose

"Police said they believe the massacre occurred after neighbors asked the suspect to stop shooting his gun in the front yard because there was a baby trying to sleep.

"My understanding is that the victims, they came over to the fence and said 'Hey could [you not do your] shooting out in the yard? We have a young baby that's trying to go to sleep," and he had been drinking and he says 'I'll do what I want to in my front yard,'" San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told KTRK."
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So, a drunk Mexican - immigration and criminal status unknown, but we've an idea - shoots up a house of Hondurans, and this is a constitutional problem?
The founders really nailed it with a republic rather than a democracy, so people like you are restrained. Some of you seem to enjoy these opportunities to indulge your fetish a bit too much.
 
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