Gun control debate (merged)

[luthervol]

perhaps not the whole story?

On The Historically Racist Motivations Behind Minimum Wage

Opinion | The Minimum Wage’s Racially Discriminatory Roots

Perhaps. You would not be able to find a single thing in American history that didn't have some type of racial undertones and components.

 

[luthervol]

Poor black males.

They will be disproportionately impacted by these new laws and regulations, as is often the case.

They, unlike the “extremist gun nuts” with thousands of dollars worth of firearms, also lack the financial wherewithal to fight in court.

We will incarcerate far more of them than the ones you want.

Not necessarily. I think we continue to progress into a more colorblind legal system. It's a process, but it certainly does not validate an absence of rational and reasonable laws.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Extremist gun nuts and people profiting from legal purchase and illegal resell.

That's already illegal.

 

[volinbham]

Perhaps. You would not be able to find a single thing in American history that didn't have some type of racial undertones and components.

deeply racist? every single thing? deeply racist history?

so 8188 was correct - minimum wage laws were a tool of racism; not just a conservative talking point

 

[luthervol]

That's already illegal.

Wink wink.

 

[85SugarVol]

Not necessarily. I think we continue to progress into a more colorblind legal system. It's a process, but it certainly does not validate an absence of rational and reasonable laws.

We are progressing into a more colorblind legal system? Mercy.

We will set up another express lane to prison for Black American Men.

Maybe we can get @volinbham to do a refresher course on the War on Drugs.

 

[volinbham]

We are progressing into a more colorblind legal system? Mercy.

We will set up another express lane to prison for Black American Men.

Maybe we can get @volinbham to do a refresher course on the War on Drugs.

I have my thoughts on the WoD but it's not my profession - would just be opinion

 

[luthervol]

deeply racist? every single thing? deeply racist history?

so 8188 was correct - minimum wage laws were a tool of racism; not just a conservative talking point

lol......The minimum wage had multiple areas of impact for both what and black America in both positive and negative ways.
And the people who voted for minimum wage did so for many different reasons.

 

[luthervol]

We are progressing into a more colorblind legal system? Mercy.

We will set up another express lane to prison for Black American Men.

Maybe we can get @volinbham to do a refresher course on the War on Drugs.

We are most definitely progressing. Still a long way to go.

 

[85SugarVol]

We are most definitely progressing. Still a long way to go.

So let’s assume that’s true. Any semblance of equity in the legal system is years and years away, though.

In the meantime though - they are just unfortunate casualties of war?

 

[85SugarVol]

I have my thoughts on the WoD but it's not my profession - would just be opinion

I’d read it.

 

[luthervol]

So let’s assume that’s true. Any semblance of equity in the legal system is years and years away, though.

In the meantime though - they are just unfortunate casualties of war?

So let’s assume that’s true. Any semblance of equity in the legal system is years and years away, though.

In the meantime though - they are just unfortunate casualties of war?

Pretty much. The alternative is even worse.

 

[volinbham]

So let’s assume that’s true. Any semblance of equity in the legal system is years and years away, though.

In the meantime though - they are just unfortunate casualties of war?

interesting isn't - if new restrictions are introduced and enforced the AA community will suffer the worst but it's okay because it's for their own good. Luther has decreed it. Amen.

 

[85SugarVol]

Pretty much. The alternative is even worse.

They said the same thing in the 80’s & 90’s.

 

[StarRaider]

comes down to individual rights (Liberty) vs. communal rights (we scared of those army guns gov'mnt needs to save me)... i just gonna take the former guaranteed by the USC.

 

[volinbham]

They said the same thing in the 80’s & 90’s.

the WoD is the perfect example and sewed the seeds likely for the gun crime epidemic we see now but by all means we should repeat it and the next time around it will all work out for the net good.

 

[85SugarVol]

interesting isn't - if new restrictions are introduced and enforced the AA community will suffer the worst but it's okay because it's for their own good. Luther has decreed it. Amen.

I will give him credit for at least owning it.

LG, BB, EL and the others wouldn’t go near it.

Nor would Clearwater, who I do not lump with those others. But his was actually disappointing. He’s a fervent advocate and defender of civil rights.

 

[85SugarVol]

the WoD is the perfect example and sewed the seeds likely for the gun crime epidemic we see now but by all means we should repeat it and the next time around it will all work out for the net good.

See, what you have to understand though is that we are currently progressing past a justice system that consistently screws poor black men at disproportionate rates.

 

[C-south]

See, what you have to understand though is that we are currently progressing past a justice system that consistently screws poor black men at disproportionate rates.

If only they didn’t commit crimes at disproportionate rates.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Wink wink.

So your saying we need more laws to keep people from breaking current laws. Do you still ride the short bus?

 

[luthervol]

They said the same thing in the 80’s & 90’s.

Come on. The fact that our legal system has never been color blind has never meant that we should scrap the legal system and not have laws. What it does mean is that we should constantly and publicly acknowledge that the system is biased and continually work to overcome that bias.
By the way, BLM protests were intended to do just that.

 

[luthervol]

So your saying we need more laws to keep people from breaking current laws. Do you still ride the short bus?

No. I'm saying we need laws that are not written with the full knowledge and intent that they will be unenforceable and easily broken.

 

[InVOLuntary]

No. I'm saying we need laws that are not written with the full knowledge and intent that they will be unenforceable and easily broken.

Like murder and drugs and speeding and taking bribes from China? Things like that?

 

[luthervol]

Like murder and drugs and speeding and taking bribes from China? Things like that?

Not at all like that.

 

[85SugarVol]

Come on. The fact that our legal system has never been color blind has never meant that we should scrap the legal system and not have laws.

Come on.

We had drug laws in the 80’s & 90’s - lots of them. They were just sure more laws were the answer.

We have gun laws here right now - lots of them. You are just sure more laws are the answer.

I’m sure it would be different this time, though.