President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

[85SugarVol]

I think you may have twisted yourself into a state of confusion.
See if this helps:
My stated position from last night: "I could easily compromise on a bill making certain surgeries illegal for anyone under the age of 18, as long as there are provisions for the extraordinary situations."

You said: "I do not agree with your positiion"

I asked: "Where do you disagree."

You answered: "That the child and parent are free to act as long as they agree."

I responded: "Who said that? I specifically stated, more than once, that I was happy for some surgeries to be made illegal for children under the age of 18, with exceptions for extraordinary cases."

You then said: "You actually threw in an additional qualifier if we’re being fair. You said that in “unique situations”, and under the “advise” of medical professionals, as long as the kid and parent agree they are free to act."

So, let's try again. Where do you disagree?

No. I don’t think I am.

You seem to have constructed a three legged stool of criteria that must be fulfilled.

- Must meet the definition of “unique situation”
- Must be under advisement from a “medical professional”
- Must have mutual agreement between parent and child

If those 3 requirements are met, are you now saying you do not approve?

 

[Orangeburst]

Elementary school teacher says confusing kids about gender is 'the goal'

 

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[luthervol]

No. I don’t think I am.

You seem to have constructed a three legged stool of criteria that must be fulfilled.

- Must meet the definition of “unique situation”
- Must be under advisement from a “medical professional”
- Must have mutual agreement between parent and child

If those 3 requirements are met, are you now saying you do not approve?

I am saying that I agree with certain surgeries being illegal for children under the age of 18 with exceptions provided for extraordinary circumstances.

If you are asking about how extraordinary circumstances are handled, circumstances like a child who has both male and female genitalia, a female with 2 x chromosomes who also has a penis, a male with xy chromosomes but with external female genitalia- then yes....I believe the parent, child, and medical professionals should have the legal right to decide the best course of action.

 

[85SugarVol]

Elementary school teacher says confusing kids about gender is 'the goal'

Source material -

 

[85SugarVol]

I am saying that I agree with certain surgeries being illegal for children under the age of 18 with exceptions provided for extraordinary circumstances.

If you are asking about how extraordinary circumstances are handled, circumstances like a child who has both male and female genitalia, a female with 2 x chromosomes who also has a penis, a male with xy chromosomes but with external female genitalia- then yes....I believe the parent, child, and medical professionals should have the legal right to decide the best course of action.

I commend you for your willingness to come out and say some of these surgeries for minors should be illegal. I imagine we agree on which ones.

Yes, you’ve already provided some examples of what would satisfy the “unique situation” requirement.

I believe you provided an entire list of rare chromosomal instances.

Is that list exhaustive? Or is it reasonable to expect there could be unforeseen unique situations that present in the future?

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Yeah, and that dayum Joe Biden has the gall to get tough on criminals - sonuvagun.
Biden's Justice Dept. keeps hard line in death row cases

Watch the bigots and haters who hate just for the sake of hating find an excuse to criticize this too.

 

[VOLS INC.]

Yeah, and that dayum Joe Biden has the gall to get tough on criminals - sonuvagun.
Biden's Justice Dept. keeps hard line in death row cases

Watch the bigots and haters who hate just for the sake of hating find an excuse to criticize this too.

“Rejon Taylor hoped the election of Joe Biden, the first U.S. president to campaign on a pledge to end the death penalty, would mean a more sympathetic look at his claims that racial bias and other trial errors landed him on federal death row in Terre Haute, Indiana.
But two years on, Justice Department attorneys under Biden are fighting the Black man's efforts to reverse his 2008 death sentence for killing a white restaurateur as hard as they did under Donald Trump, who oversaw 13 executions in his presidency's final months.”


Surely you see the problem. Don’t you?

 

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Peter Doocy will have a lot of questions at next press conference.....

 

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7h
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DC METRO POLICE REFUSING TO RELEASE BODYCAM FOOTAGE OF KARINE JEAN-PIERRE ACCIDENT

Witnesses say she was slurring her words and had difficulty standing straight.

Mystery driver picked her up shortly after police arrived.

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Peter Doocy will have a lot of questions at next press conference.....

Hmmmmmm

 

[luthervol]

I commend you for your willingness to come out and say some of these surgeries for minors should be illegal. I imagine we agree on which ones.

Yes, you’ve already provided some examples of what would satisfy the “unique situation” requirement.

I believe you provided an entire list of rare chromosomal instances.

Is that list exhaustive? Or is it reasonable to expect there could be unforeseen unique situations that present in the future?

Do you agree that the examples I provided are situations where a parent/child/and medical professionals should have legal freedom to explore options including surgeries that may be illegal in less extraordinary cases?

And of course that list isn't exhaustive and of course there could be unforeseen future unique situations.

I certainly hope that you would not attempt to use that as justification for prohibiting a parent from legally being able to take the best medical course of action for their child.

 

[85SugarVol]

Do you agree that the examples I provided are situations where a parent/child/and medical professionals should have legal freedom to explore options including surgeries that may be illegal in less unique cases?

Answer my question honestly and I will answers yours in kind.

 

[luthervol]

Answer my question honestly and I will answers yours in kind.

see above

 

[85SugarVol]

Do you agree that the examples I provided are situations where a parent/child/and medical professionals should have legal freedom to explore options including surgeries that may be illegal in less extraordinary cases?

And of course that list isn't exhaustive and of course there could be unforeseen future unique situations.

I certainly hope that you would not attempt to use that as justification for prohibiting a parent from legally being able to take the best medical course of action for their child.

Agreed.

Your “unique situation” is completely at the discretion of the doc, kid & parent. 2 of the other 3 legs.

 

[85SugarVol]

see above

I did not go thru them, but I saw multiple references to chromosomal anomalies.

Do any of them place the child in imminent mortal danger? That is the grey I am willing to wander into here.

If a child’s life is in imminent danger that is the time and place where I am saying yes.

 

[luthervol]

I did not go thru them, but I saw multiple references to chromosomal anomalies.

Do any of them place the child in imminent mortal danger? That is the grey I am willing to wander into here.

If a child’s life is in imminent danger that is the time and place where I am saying yes.

I don't think so.
We would certainly draw the line at different places. My opinion is that your line would deny some parents the legal right to pursue the best and most appropriate medical care for their child.

 

[85SugarVol]

I don't think so.
We would certainly draw the line at different places. My opinion is that your line would deny some parents the legal right to pursue the best and most appropriate medical care for their child.

I’m of the opinion that the hurdle for removing a 12 year old’s genitalia should be pretty high.

 

[luthervol]

I’m of the opinion that the hurdle for removing a 12 year old’s genitalia should be pretty high.

Likewise. Immanent death isn't pretty high, it's unreasonably and unnecessarily extremely high.
But I do believe reasonable people from both sides could set that hurdle appropriately high.

 

[85SugarVol]

Likewise. Immanent death isn't pretty high, it's unreasonably and unnecessarily extremely high.
But I do believe reasonable people from both sides could set that hurdle appropriately high.

I’d be willing to go lower, say if the child were in significant physical pain as a result of the abnormality.

I would not be willing to entertain cosmetic surgery for minors.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Likewise. Immanent death isn't pretty high, it's unreasonably and unnecessarily extremely high.
But I do believe reasonable people from both sides could set that hurdle appropriately high.

There needs to be a greater emphasis in educating young people about how chopping off your genitalia is bad. Those precious parts play an essential role in alleviating boredom and scoring with hot babes.

 

[luthervol]

I’d be willing to go lower, say if the child were in significant physical pain as a result of the abnormality.

I would not be willing to entertain cosmetic surgery for minors.

But you obviously are willing with things like a cleft palate...a birth defect that isn't imminently deadly, or significantly painful. You're simply giving parents and doctors the legal right to choose to correct a birth defect that causes great embarrassment and is mentally and emotionally damaging to the child.

 

[volfanhill]

But you obviously are willing with things like a cleft palate...a birth defect that isn't imminently deadly, or significantly painful. You're simply giving parents and doctors the legal right to choose to correct a birth defect that causes great embarrassment and is mentally and emotionally damaging to the child.

Are you equating fixing a cleft palate to changing a child's sex?

 

[85SugarVol]

But you obviously are willing with things like a cleft palate...a birth defect that isn't imminently deadly, or significantly painful. You're simply giving parents and doctors the legal right to choose to correct a birth defect that causes great embarrassment and is mentally and emotionally damaging to the child.

Are we experiencing a rash of complaints from adults that had their cleft palates corrected as minors?

 

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