The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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hog88 said:
I was perusing Zillow last night, saw a house on Tims Ford Lake in Winchester that we looked at and considered buying in 2019. It was listed then for about $450K, today it's listed for 1.1 mil. Absolute insanity.
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Tim’s Ford is awesome! We were considering the same. But it’s Just gotten out of control at this point.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
So after looking at it a bit more, the felony charge is also outside the SOL. I guess that should have been obvious. Apparently, there’s no tolling statute in New York that would apply. So he’s going to claim equitable tolling. But it’s not like they were sitting there waiting to indict Trump.

The enhancement alone, the shaky argument for equitable tolling alone, the political situation alone, or the closeness of the case alone… I’m not especially bothered by any of it individually but all of it together does stink.

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Of course he will. It allows him to drag this out for years and years as long as he is 'diligently' pursuing the 'charges'. All it means it more endless 'investigations', and they get to drag Trump through the mud until the election. After all , ya'll are so scared of him that you feel that is your only recourse to keep him out of the WH.

The second part of what I bolded is pretty ****ing funny actually. Even more funny that you actually believe that statement.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Tim’s Ford is awesome! We were considering the same. But it’s Just gotten out of control at this point.
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Covid and the work from home movement ran the prices up. At the time we thought we were a year or 2 away from being able to afford that vacation/rental place on the lake. Now we're a lifetime away.
 
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hog88 said:
Covid and the work from home movement ran the prices up. At the time we thought we were a year or 2 away from being able to afford that vacation/rental place on the lake. Now we're a lifetime away.
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Same.

We ended up buying our “Forever home” just before the rates got out of control. Now we are looking at 2027 for a Lakehouse. But unless there is a dramatic shift, we aren’t looking at Tim’s Ford anymore as far as houses go. Have to settle for camping at Devils Step. There are greater tragedies in the world.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Same.

We ended up buying our “Forever home” just before the rates got out of control. Now we are looking at 2027 for a Lakehouse. But unless there is a dramatic shift, we aren’t looking at Tim’s Ford anymore as far as houses go. Have to settle for camping at Devils Step. There are greater tragedies in the world.
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We go to Devil's Step at least twice a year so yeah it could be worse. Going this weekend up to Dale Hollow to look at some property a couple miles away from Dale Hollow state park.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Of course he will. It allows him to drag this out for years and years as long as he is 'diligently' pursuing the 'charges'. All it means it more endless 'investigations', and they get to drag Trump through the mud until the election. After all , ya'll are so scared of him that you feel that is your only recourse to keep him out of the WH.

The second part of what I bolded is pretty ****ing funny actually. Even more funny that you actually believe that statement.
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Of course he will. It allows him to drag this out for years and years as long as he is 'diligently' pursuing the 'charges'. All it means it more endless 'investigations', and they get to drag Trump through the mud until the election. After all , ya'll are so scared of him that you feel that is your only recourse to keep him out of the WH.

The second part of what I bolded is pretty ****ing funny actually. Even more funny that you actually believe that statement.
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You drunk or really this dumb? It was a literal statement. He’s been out of the Oval Office for 26 months. If they were waiting until he wasn’t president to indict him, why the 26 month delay? They literally were not waiting to indict him when his presidency ended.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Covid was the main factor, yes. I’ve never claimed it was the only factor because nothing has a single driving factor. You’re just arguing semantics because you’ve got nothing else here.

Just to clarify it seems we both agree the economic issues are due to left wing lockdown policies that were politically motivated but you believe that was acceptable because “orange man bad”?
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No. Let's be clear, what we do both agree on is the fact that Trump intentionally and knowingly fostered horrible working relationships with states that did not support him out of petty, childish vindictiveness and these poor relationships made cooperation between the states and the fed far more difficult than they otherwise would have been.

It highlights perfectly why Trump was such a bad choice. And that is at least 95% on him. To see the right whine that the states did not play nice is pretty funny.

"Orange man being bad" directly impacted orange man's ability to govern. Just as "orange man being bad" solidified his rabid base. Anyone with a clue knew that "orange man bad" was a double edged sword. It seems the right expected it to only cut one way.
 
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luthervol said:
No. Let's be clear, what we do both agree on is the fact that Trump intentionally and knowingly fostered horrible working relationships with states that did not support him out of petty, childish vindictiveness and these poor relationships made cooperation between the states and the fed far more difficult than they otherwise would have been.

It highlights perfectly why Trump was such a bad choice. And that is at least 95% on him. To see the right whine that the states did not play nice is pretty funny.

"Orange man being bad" directly impacted orange man's ability to govern. Just as "orange man being bad" solidified his rabid base. Anyone with a clue knew that "orange man bad" was a double edged sword. It seems the right expected it to only cut one way.
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So we agree the democratic states negatively impacted the lives of millions out of spite for bad orange man.

Defending them in doing so is gross, even for you.
 
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hog88 said:
My goodness man. The politicians/bureaucrats that shut down their states and kept them shut down hurt their residents and the country, doing it because it would hurt Trump or because he didn't build working relationships with them is petty at best and criminal (well it's just criminal). It reflects only on their partisanship since they put politics ahead of the good of their citizens.
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States did no shut down and remain closed to hurt Trump? There were multiple variables being considered and a state's relationship with Trump and the politicization of COVID was one of those variables.
 
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luthervol said:
States did no shut down and remain closed to hurt Trump? There were multiple variables being considered and a state's relationship with Trump and the politicization of COVID was one of those variables.
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Lmfao "no! They did it for a number of reasons"

"also, yes it was one of the variables".

Do you even try to be consistent? Do you actually have any integrity at all?
 
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Vol8188 said:
So we agree the democratic states negatively impacted the lives of millions out of spite for bad orange man.

Defending them in doing so is gross, even for you.
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Nope, we agree that the horrible relations Trump intentionally fostered factored into difficult decisions.
Stated another way, had Trump not been such a petulant ass, things may have played out differently.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lmfao "no! They did it for a number of reasons"

"also, yes it was one of the variables".

Do you even try to be consistent? Do you actually have any integrity at all?
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Here's what I hope to be a simple question for you..........
Do you think Trump did a good job of attempting to develop positive relationships with democratic states?
 
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luthervol said:
Nope, we agree that the horrible relations Trump intentionally fostered factored into difficult decisions.
Stated another way, had Trump not been such a petulant ass, things may have played out differently.
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By things you mean "states may have opened up their economies earlier"?
 
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luthervol said:
Here's what I hope to be a simple question for you..........
Do you think Trump did a good job of attempting to develop positive relationships with democratic states?
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No. Nor has Biden. Nor did Obama before him. All 3 have directly went after opposing states. The issue is you're using that to justify actions against their own people.

"it's okay to harm your constituents as long as bad orange man hurt too"-this is the level of stupid you're openly proclaiming right now.
 
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luthervol said:
States did no shut down and remain closed to hurt Trump? There were multiple variables being considered and a state's relationship with Trump and the politicization of COVID was one of those variables.
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What were the other variables that applied to the blue states that didn’t apply to the red ones?
 
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Vol8188 said:
No. Nor has Biden. Nor did Obama before him. All 3 have directly went after opposing states. The issue is you're using that to justify actions against their own people.

"it's okay to harm your constituents as long as bad orange man hurt too"-this is the level of stupid you're openly proclaiming right now.
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How simplistic. Biden nor Obama were ANYWHERE CLOSE to treating states of the opposing party as divisively as did Trump.
Not even in the same universe.

They were protecting their constituents, not harming them. No state instituted a lockdown to harm their residents. Every state was fully aware that there was a safety / economic trade off.
 
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luthervol said:
Nope, we agree that the horrible relations Trump intentionally fostered factored into difficult decisions.
Stated another way, had Trump not been such a petulant ass, things may have played out differently.
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So you admit the leaders of those states hurt their citizens just to spite Trump?
 
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