The Problems with Trans-ideology

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Vol8188 said:
If you disagree with me, I would enjoy hearing your perspective and where you feel I'm mistaken. If you agree with me, perhaps these can be used help you in future conversations on the topic.

1. They will proclaim to reject "gender norms" or "gender stereotypes", yet their entire movement is based on both. For example if you were to ask "how did you know you were trans", you will get an answer like "I always liked pink and Barbies". Or if asked "how do you know gender is on a spectrum", they will start saying things like "some men are more emotional, some women are more dominate". So they are taking the same stereotypes and norms they claim to oppose and using them as defining principles within their own argument. They will openly pretend that any man who expresses historically feminine gender stereotypes is somehow less of a man (closer to a woman on their gender spectrum) and vise versa.

2. You cannot proclaim that sex and gender are different and then proclaim that men can get pregnant or that transwomen are women. You have to acknowledge that their sex is not the same as what they wish it were. This lie has gone so far that you can now fined/arrested in some countries and kicked off social media in the US for disagreeing with those statements.

3. They proclaim gender is on spectrum, but also a societal construct. If so, it would appear the majority of societies only have 2 genders. It's fair to proclaim it is a societal construct and you wish to redefine it (gender), but you cannot definitively proclaim that it is both a societal construct and infinite given that is not the way our society has historically seen the issue.

4. As Matt Walsh points out, their inability to define the terms man and woman or male and female. He went as far as to interview someone with a PhD in gender studies who is a professor at UT, who was unable to answer the question. Instead the professor said "A woman is a woman" or "a woman is someone who identifies as a woman". As early as elementary school we were all taught that you cannot define a term with the term itself. This professor studies gender, has a PhD in it, and lectures on the topic, yet is unable to define the most basic of terms within the topic he is a supposed expert in.
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@ElvisPelvis would you be interested in providing your take on any of these points?
 
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Sea Ray said:
I think go off the rails when you used the word "identity". No one's identifying as anything when they get their wrinkles addressed. Nobody is asking you to address them differently. They're not asking for you to let them use your bathroom or play in your sports. They're not asking the Boston Marathon to put them in a different age category due to their surgery. See the difference?
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LOL, so the surgery test is whether your pronouns change post surgery.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
If the total surgery is the same yes. Soccer mom's don't cut off boobs and add fake peckers. Or have had fake mammaries added because Soccer dad didn't have any to begin with and then cut their pecker off.
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I don't see how stuffing two bags of saline/silicone in your chest is any less strange than anything else you described.
 
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If you are having plastic surgery because as a biological male / female you honestly believe you are the opposite sex then that's mental illness.

If you are having plastic surgery because you think it'll make you feel better about yourself then do as you please. We don't, or shouldn't at least, care at all.
 
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865er said:
If you are having plastic surgery because as a biological male / female you honestly believe you are the opposite sex then that's mental illness.

If you are having plastic surgery because you think it'll make you feel better about yourself then do as you please. We don't, or shouldn't at least, care at all.
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Except that medicine should have very specific principles (Hippocratic Oath). Plastic surgery can correct deformities and serves valid functions. Putting in fake tits, cutting off a penis, and serving vanity and dysphoria would appear to be in conflict with this oath. The negative outcomes of plastic surgery create a long list of horror stories.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
How can a man identify as a woman when their entire premise doesn't allow them to define what a woman is?
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And this is where the case for this nonsense breaks down completely. What an insult to women. As a father and husband, I’ve watched the specific challenges women face. I wouldn’t trade places for all the money in the world (as if I could). For a biological male to think that womanhood is a costume you can put on is the most insulting, disrespectful, and misogynistic thing I can think of.

Then, to try and force this twisted agenda on others, or teach it to children. These people should be locked up and lobotomized, not celebrated.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Good question. Truth matters. Children and education matter. The things mentioned above are being taught in schools. Children are being aided in transitioning through the schools and through the medical community. In Canada parents are being arrested and fined as much as 30,000. In at least one school a trans student raped a girl in the bathroom. Children and parents are being lied to about the long term effects of puberty blockers. Young boys and girls are being irreversibly mutilated.

And finally we should thoroughly analyze any mainstream argument that is being proclaimed by so many within our society. The statements I've mentioned are very common place in 2022. These aren't arguments made by a small minority. Rather they're made within classrooms, all over the internet, in the streets, and by a massive number of people. If such claims are being espoused by so many and are obviously false, shouldn't we care enough to analyze those claims?

Edit: One final note. You specifically stated "what people do". If you believe I'm arguing against the right of an adult to life as the opposite sex, I have no clue where you are getting that.
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This is really the long and the short of it for me when it comes to this nonsense. If someone wants to live their life pretending to be a member of the opposite sex, fine. I'm glad we live in a country where someone has that kind of autonomy. But that's exactly what it is. It's a costume that someone is wearing to make themselves feel more comfortable with themselves. Fine! Got no problem with that. However, I wholeheartedly reject the "I think, therefore I am" idea that if a man wants to call himself a woman, not only IS he in fact a woman, but I'm also somehow expected to play along with that pretense and if I don't that makes me a hater of trans people! I'm not going to ignore facts to spare your feelings. Sorry! Get some thicker skin. Your'e not 5 years old. Be an adult about it and recognize the situation for what it is. Don't attempt to rewrite reality for everyone else to suit your sensitivities!

I was raised to believe that the onus is on me to figure out how to fit in and function in society. Not that I should expect society to capitulate to my whims! That is beyond narcissistic behavior and really that is what rests at the center of all of this. We have become a society of narcissists who truly think everything revolves around the individual. Thats how you get stupid sh_t like Leia Thomas kicking women's ass in the swimming pool, when both he, and the NCAA DAMN WELL knew he would have an unfair physical advantage over them! The fact that he could stand on that podium and proudly accept that award without even the slightest hint of remorse shows you just how ridiculous it has all gotten. He and everyone involved in that fiasco that supported it should be absolutely ashamed of that!
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
This is really the long and the short of it for me when it comes to this nonsense. If someone wants to live their life pretending to be a member of the opposite sex, fine. I'm glad we live in a country where someone has that kind of autonomy. But that's exactly what it is. It's a costume that someone is wearing to make themselves feel more comfortable with themselves. Fine! Got no problem with that. However, I wholeheartedly reject the "I think, therefore I am" idea that if a man wants to call himself a woman, not only IS he in fact a woman, but I'm also somehow expected to play along with that pretense and if I don't that makes me a hater of trans people! I'm not going to ignore facts to spare your feelings. Sorry! Get some thicker skin. Your'e not 5 years old. Be an adult about it and recognize the situation for what it is. Don't attempt to rewrite reality for everyone else to suit your sensitivities! I was raised to believe that the onus is on me to figure out how to fit in and function in society. Not that I should expect society to capitulate to my whims! That is beyond narcissistic behavior and really that is what rests at the center of all of this. We have become a society of narcissists who truly think everything revolves around the individual.
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Agree. A lot of it starts with this nonsense that "happiness" is the ultimate goal. "You have to be happy", "you want your kids to be happy, right?". It's lead to a general nihilism throughout society.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Agree. A lot of it starts with this nonsense that "happiness" is the ultimate goal. "You have to be happy", "you want your kids to be happy, right?". It's lead to a general nihilism throughout society.
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I had this conversation with my daughter after her divorce. She was contemplating some really dumb career and financial decisions because she thought they would make her "happy" and "didn't she have a right to be happy". She was pretty shocked when I told her that she lost the right to be happy when she had a kid, her only concern now was taking care of her daughter and not her own happiness.
 
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hog88 said:
I had this conversation with my daughter after her divorce. She was contemplating some really dumb career and financial decisions because she thought they would make her "happy" and "didn't she have a right to be happy". She was pretty shocked when I told her that she lost the right to be happy when she had a kid, her only concern now was taking care of her daughter and not her own happiness.
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If you don't mind me asking, what was the nature of her divorce?
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
If you don't mind me asking, what was the nature of her divorce?
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Her husband was an immature spoiled little POS and he didn't want to be married anymore or have the responsibilities of being a full time dad. He wanted to enjoy his 20s. They were HS sweethearts stayed together all through college and her grad school before getting married.
 
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hog88 said:
Her husband was an immature spoiled little POS and he didn't want to be married anymore or have the responsibilities of being a full time dad. He wanted to enjoy his 20s. They were HS sweethearts stayed together all through college and her grad school before getting married.
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Sounds like another lost to the pursuit of “happiness”
 
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hog88 said:
Her husband was an immature spoiled little POS and he didn't want to be married anymore or have the responsibilities of being a full time dad. He wanted to enjoy his 20s. They were HS sweethearts stayed together all through college and her grad school before getting married.
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Yeah, I honestly think in this day and age, getting married in your 20's is a mistake for almost anybody. I didn't get married until I was 35. My wife was 30. Looking back, I'm so glad I waited because I would've made a terrible husband in my twenties and my wife admits to the same thing. She would've made a terrible wife.
 
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Let’s face it, the problem is we don’t accept the fact that human “brings” are made up of a body, mind and spirit. If you deny any one aspect you get the mess we have today
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Yeah, I honestly think in this day and age, getting married in your 20's is a mistake for almost anybody. I didn't get married until I was 35. My wife was 30. Looking back, I'm so glad I waited because I would've made a terrible husband in my twenties and my wife admits to the same thing. She would've made a terrible wife.
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I was an awful husband in my 20's, thankfully I have a wonderful wife and both of us were too stubborn to quit.
 
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