The Problems with Trans-ideology

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Vol since 77 said:
Just calling it how I see it. My apologies if I'm wrong. You don't come close to calling out all hypocrites though. You call out the ones you want, but not all.
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Then in what way do you see it that you could try and narrowly define me as a "progressive liberal" (something you likely view as an insult)? Which political stances have I taken? Let's be specific

I call it out when I see it and don't remember shying away from calling someone out. Which ones have I skipped iyo?
 
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utvolpj said:
Then in what way do you see it that you could try and narrowly define me as a "progressive liberal" (something you likely view as an insult)? Which political stances have I taken? Let's be specific

I call it out when I see it and don't remember shying away from calling someone out. Which ones have I skipped iyo?
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I certainly didn't mean it as insult, hence the my apologies if I'm wrong. I don't view it as an insult either as we're all different and have different views. You do mean it as an insult as I've seen you many times bash Christian conservatives. Just because you dont have faith and believe in God, doesn't make you right and believers wrong and vice versa. Your views appear to be very liberal imo and you don't seem to be denying any of what I said (which you can clear up at anytime). I'm not going to dig up a bunch of your old posts to prove my point as I've read them for quite some time. One instance I see about you not calling out hypocrites is watching you blast Trump about his spending (which I completely agree) but yet I can't find you're posts about Biden doing the same. There's many more area's but I'm not digging at this time and will point them out from here on if you'd like.
 
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Vol since 77 said:
I certainly didn't mean it as insult, hence the my apologies if I'm wrong. I don't view it as an insult either as we're all different and have different views. You do mean it as an insult as I've seen you many times bash Christian conservatives. Just because you dont have faith and believe in God, doesn't make you right and believers wrong and vice versa. Your views appear to be very liberal imo and you don't seem to be denying any of what I said (which you can clear up at anytime). I'm not going to dig up a bunch of your old posts to prove my point as I've read them for quite some time. One instance I see about you not calling out hypocrites is watching you blast Trump about his spending (which I completely agree) but yet I can't find you're posts about Biden doing the same. There's many more area's but I'm not digging at this time and will point them out from here on if you'd like.
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Which views are very liberal? No need to dig up posts with statements like that. Also, why should Christian conservatives be off limits? They suck just as bad as the rest

You simply see what you want. I've called out Biden dozens of times and for just about every choice they've made. It's the Trumpers who have a hard time criticizing that disaster. They can both be terrible
 
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utvolpj said:
Which views are very liberal? No need to dig up posts with statements like that. Also, why should Christian conservatives be off limits? They suck just as bad as the rest

You simply see what you want. I've called out Biden dozens of times and for just about every choice they've made. It's the Trumpers who have a hard time criticizing that disaster. They can both be terrible
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Where did I say Christian conservatives are off limits? Every group has idiots. My experiences with Christian conservatives have obviously been very different than yours. I'm not a Trumper and may have missed your posts calling out Biden and liberals. I'm not on here near as much as you but don't see you denying what I said earlier either. You can clear up what you are and your beliefs at anytime if you choose too. No need to be confrontational towards me just because I described what I've seen. I said my apologies if I'm wrong.
 
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Vol since 77 said:
Where did I say Christian conservatives are off limits? Every group has idiots. My experiences with Christian conservatives have obviously been very different than yours. I'm not a Trumper and may have missed your posts calling out Biden and liberals. I'm not on here near as much as you but don't see you denying what I said earlier either. You can clear up what you are and your beliefs at anytime if you choose too. No need to be confrontational towards me just because I described what I've seen. I said my apologies if I'm wrong.
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You have not described what you've seen. What specific stances are you calling out? You've yet to provide a specific to accompany your lazy label or grouping
 
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utvolpj said:
You have not described what you've seen. What specific stances are you calling out? You've yet to provide a specific to accompany your lazy label or grouping
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My label is no lazier than yours or your grouping. How far back does one have to go to find you blasting Biden or liberals? It's really no big deal, just thought I'd ask.
 
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Vol since 77 said:
My label is no lazier than yours or your grouping. How far back does one have to go to find you blasting Biden or liberals? It's really no big deal, just thought I'd ask.
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So you labeled me without having a single policy example?

You can look in any thread discussing policy to find it. But why would the lack of that mean I'm in favor of them anyways? That's nonsense
 
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utvolpj said:
So you labeled me without having a single policy example?

You can look in any thread discussing policy to find it. But why would the lack of that mean I'm in favor of them anyways? That's nonsense
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The lack of comment comes across as you agree. That's not nonsense considering you speak on things you disagree with plenty (like Christian conservatives) among others. There's nothing wrong with being a progressive liberal either, different strokes for different folks. You apparently took it as a slight even though I didn't intend it that way.
 
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Vol since 77 said:
The lack of comment comes across as you agree. That's not nonsense considering you speak on things you disagree with plenty (like Christian conservatives) among others. There's nothing wrong with being a progressive liberal either, different strokes for different folks. You apparently took it as a slight even though I didn't intend it that way.
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No I'm simply asking you to explain and provide examples of how the label fits. You're either unable or unwilling to do so. Both are nonsense
 
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utvolpj said:
No I'm simply asking you to explain and provide examples of how the label fits. You're either unable or unwilling to do so. Both are nonsense
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I've already told you I'm not digging up your old posts that have given me that impression. What's nonsense is your labeling of Christian conservatives when your experiences don't trump any others. I just wanted to know why you have so much hatred towards those people. No need to respond if you don't want too. I was just curious as to why.
 
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Vol since 77 said:
I've already told you I'm not digging up your old posts that have given me that impression. What's nonsense is your labeling of Christian conservatives when your experiences don't trump any others. I just wanted to know why you have so much hatred towards those people. No need to respond if you don't want too. I was just curious as to why.
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If you actually knew what you were talking about you wouldn't need to dig up posts. You tossed out a lazy label, got called out, and are now dancing around hoping I drop it. This is a common exercise on this board.

Where have I said I hated anyone? I simply want them to keep their rules, ones they rarely follow themselves, out of everyone else's lives. Also, quit calling themselves conservative when the label doesn't fit.
 
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utvolpj said:
If you actually knew what you were talking about you wouldn't need to dig up posts. You tossed out a lazy label, got called out, and are now dancing around hoping I drop it. This is a common exercise on this board.

Where have I said I hated anyone? I simply want them to keep their rules, ones they rarely follow themselves, out of everyone else's lives. Also, quit calling themselves conservative when the label doesn't fit.
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If you aren't a progressive liberal, what would you be? I'm not dancing around anything (I just gave an opinion based off your comments), I don't care if you drop it or not lol. As for the rest, guess it comes down to each person's interactions with people. I've had much worse dealings with liberals than conservatives by a wide margin. I don't care enough to argue or blast either side though as neither is changing their minds.
 
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utvolpj said:
Nose jobs?

This stuff is done daily in this country to straight people with no comment. How is this one suddenly a story about self mutilation and mental illness?
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There is a lot of comment on elective plastic surgery straight people have. Has your wife, her friends ever commented on an aging star‘s plastic surgery that makes them look comical?
 
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hog88 said:
There is a lot of comment on elective plastic surgery straight people have. Has your wife, her friends ever commented on an aging star‘s plastic surgery that makes them look comical?
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Sure but I've never heard a nose/chin/etc being called body mutilation or the person called mentally ill
 
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hog88 said:
You're picking nits now. I have no doubt that you have heard of people being addicted to plastic surgery and addictions are a form of mental illness.
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Of course but not all of them are trans. It seems the label gets applied way more to them than some suburban housewife getting her face stretched to remove wrinkles
 
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utvolpj said:
Of course but not all of them are trans. It seems the label gets applied way more to them than some suburban housewife getting her face stretched to remove wrinkles
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I'd say it's natural for a woman to want to reduce wrinkles and look younger. It's not so natural to try to reverse your sex. What's so confusing here for you? I don't see what you're not getting
 
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Sea Ray said:
I'd say it's natural for a woman to want to reduce wrinkles and look younger. It's not so natural to try to reverse your sex. What's so confusing here for you? I don't see what you're not getting
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Is it natural to cut off part of a nose or file down a chin or insert butt implants? Those are also since daily by the same without comment

My point is the exact same surgeries are not labeled the same. Why would that be?
 
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utvolpj said:
Is it natural to cut off part of a nose or file down a chin or insert butt implants? Those are also since daily by the same without comment

My point is the exact same surgeries are not labeled the same. Why would that be?
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I can certainly understand a vane human being (especially one who makes money off her looks) to do what you described. It's far more strange to try to deny your sex, which is ultimately impossible. I think your analogy is a poor one. A better one would be someone who goes through surgeries in order to look like a Barbie doll. I would say this person has mental issues:

 
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Sea Ray said:
I can certainly understand a vane human being (especially one who makes money off her looks) to do what you described. It's far more strange to try to deny your sex, which is ultimately impossible. I think your analogy is a poor one. A better one would be someone who goes through surgeries in order to look like a Barbie doll. I would say this person has mental
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Why is it poor? They had the exact same routine surgeries yet are labeled differently
 
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utvolpj said:
Why is it poor? They had the exact same routine surgeries yet are labeled differently
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It's a poor analogy because it's perfectly natural to want to look young and fit. It's not sound thinking to go under the knife 'cause you want to look like a female when your chromosomes say XY and your DNA says male. You can't go through enough surgeries to change your sex. Your sex will always be male
 
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Sea Ray said:
It's a poor analogy because it's perfectly natural to want to look young and fit. It's not sound thinking to go under the knife 'cause you want to look like a female when your chromosomes say XY and your DNA says male. You can't go through enough surgeries to change your sex. Your sex will always be male
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How does a nose or chin job make one look younger and more fit?
 
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