War in Ukraine

[apevol]

The strategy is keep out large mass of troops in the Ukraine, so that they can drop the nukes in if have to. Nobody is going to ask you for permission, their policy has been pretty clear for 30+ years.

Their not going to allow either NATO or even the Ukrainians near the border if it comes to that... which is why they are there to start with.

The Ukrainian commander is correct as this has been Russian policy and strategy for 30 years, to late to change now.

Ukrainian soldiers have already reportedly pierced the ****ing border earlier this year and there was no response. The "strategy' is to be as vague as possible in verbiage so they can leverage threats when needed. Its blackmail. You're complicit.

 

[LSU-SIU]

now you're not even bothering to make sense

You don't like the strategy. The Russians just like every other nuclear power isn't going to allow someone to invaded or attack indefinitely their home land. Yes, the Ukrainian commander doesn't make sense. He is saying the same thing. lol

Why in the hell would someone nuke their own land, you have to nuke them some place else. DUHHHHHHH That place is the Ukraine, everyone was on board for the Ukraine to be destroyed 30 years ago.... even the Ukraine.

 

[MG1968]

You don't like the strategy. The Russians just like every other nuclear power isn't going to allow someone to invaded or attack indefinitely their home land.

Yes, the Ukrainian commander doesn't make sense. He is saying the same thing. lol

Then Russia shouldn’t have invaded a sovereign nation. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Then Russia shouldn’t have invaded a sovereign nation. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

They were only sovereign up to the point of agreements. Kind of like how the United States is still in Cuba. LOL The Ukraine agreed to be the nuke capital of the world 30 years ago if it came to that.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes is the Ukrainian people. There is no win for them.

You guys can get mad, but at the end of the day... nothing of real value is going to change. Immaterial details.

None of you guys are a party to this, why so emotional? Its not really any of our business.

Let'em fight, but at the end of the day its hard to envision any real victory for the Ukraine.

The war is now onto Europe. It doesn't look like they can even stomach an economic war but we'll see how that one plays out.

 

[MG1968]

They were only sovereign up to the point of agreements. Kind of like how the United States is still in Cuba. LOL The Ukraine agreed to be the nuke capital of the world 30 years ago if it came to that.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes is the Ukrainian people. There is no win for them.

You guys can get mad, but at the end of the day... nothing of real value is going to change. Immaterial details.

None of you guys are a party to this, why so emotional? Its not really any of our business.

Let'em fight, but at the end of the day its hard to envision any real victory for the Ukraine.

The war is now onto Europe. It doesn't look like they can even stomach an economic war but we'll see how that one plays out.

I’m surprised you didn’t add a few “white people”’s to your word salad. I said early on in this thread that this is Europe’s problem. But I still chuckle at all the Putin apologists claiming Russia’s 3-day special military operation is a master class in battlefield tactics.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I’m surprised you didn’t add a few “white people”’s to your word salad. I said early on in this thread that this is Europe’s problem. But I still chuckle at all the Putin apologists claiming Russia’s 3-day special military operation is a master class in battlefield tactics.

I would say the war was over in about a hour or so, once they were able to get some cushion. It was over. What goes on now is just the equivalent of watching two ant piles fight it out. Basically immaterial to the world whether they are bombing for 3 days or 3 decades.

War is now economic in Europe.

 

[MG1968]

I would say the war was over in about a hour or so, once they were able to get some cushion. It was over. What goes on now is just the equivalent of watching two ant piles fight it out. Basically immaterial to the world whether they are bombing for 3 days or 3 decades.

War is now economic in Europe.

Which Russia will also eventually lose once China realizes that the Russians aren’t rich enough as a nation to be a reliable trading partner. Russia also doesn’t produce any intellectual property that the Chinese want to “appropriate”. Putin is just a chew toy to the ChiComs and once he’s served his purpose, he’ll be discarded.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Which Russia will also eventually lose once China realizes that the Russians aren’t rich enough as a nation to be a reliable trading partner. Russia also doesn’t produce any intellectual property that the Chinese want to “appropriate”. Putin is just a chew toy to the ChiComs and once he’s served his purpose, he’ll be discarded.

We'll see how it works out, idk. Russia did just force Europe into a $1-2T margin call. China, India, etc will continue to buy from Russia. They have customers but there could be issues as well. Right now, Europe is in trouble, but I don't say how it will go. If Europe doesn't start moving very fast to find cheap energy.... well, good luck to them living in caves.

 

[apevol]

Which Russia will also eventually lose once China realizes that the Russians aren’t rich enough as a nation to be a reliable trading partner. Russia also doesn’t produce any intellectual property that the Chinese want to “appropriate”. Putin is just a chew toy to the ChiComs and once he’s served his purpose, he’ll be discarded.

The only way the outcome in ukraine is indeed already decided is it Putin actually does give the go ahead to drop tactical nukes. And that forfeits this great economic war hes babbling about.

 

[LSU-SIU]

The only way the outcome in ukraine is indeed already decided is it Putin actually does give the go ahead to drop tactical nukes. And that forfeits this great economic war hes babbling about.

As I mentioned last week or so, I would say the plan is just to let the Ukraine burn for a bit and see how it goes with the economic war. (I posted an article that said the same thing) Unless someone like Turkey gets involved, its hard to imagine how any of this gets solved this year.

Obviously, if things deteriorate in the Ukraine it will have to be addressed, but I would imagine the short-term goal is to just watch it burn.

None of this is going to be solved short term, I would imagine.

 

[MG1968]

As I mentioned last week or so, I would say the plan is just to let the Ukraine burn for a bit and see how it goes with the economic war. (I posted an article that said the same thing) Unless someone like Turkey gets involved, its hard to imagine how any of this gets solved this year.

Obviously, if things deteriorate in the Ukraine it will have to be addressed, but I would imagine the short-term goal is to just watch it burn.

None of this is going to be solved short term, I would imagine.

Except the only way for Ukraine to “burn” is to take, occupy and hold Kiev. A feat Russia was incapable of in the beginning and would be impossible now.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Except the only way for Ukraine to “burn” is to take, occupy and hold Kiev. A feat Russia was incapable of in the beginning and would be impossible now.

No, you just have both sides to keep throwing artillery shells at one another. LOL Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.

 

[apevol]

As I mentioned last week or so, I would say the plan is just to let the Ukraine burn for a bit and see how it goes with the economic war. (I posted an article that said the same thing) Unless someone like Turkey gets involved, its hard to imagine how any of this gets solved this year.

Obviously, if things deteriorate in the Ukraine it will have to be addressed, but I would imagine the short-term goal is to just watch it burn.

None of this is going to be solved short term, I would imagine.

That wasn't the plan. Its just the only thing thats left in the realm of possibility without conscription. Letting things burn and hoping europe caves is the only way to hold out. They have to hold what they've got to keep energy companies out of the donbass. Otherwise the whole thing was a complete failure. They will have lost face, lost customers and lost a crucial ally. Complete catastrophe if that happens

 

[LSU-SIU]

That wasn't the plan. Its just the only thing thats left in the realm of possibility without conscription. Letting things burn and hoping europe caves is the only way to hold out. They have to hold what they've got to keep energy companies out of the donbass. Otherwise the whole thing was a complete failure. They will have lost face, lost customers and lost a crucial ally. Complete catastrophe if that happens

That's the short term plan as the United States has now given Russia a shot at Europe. (see article I posted like a week ago) I'm not sure Russia envisioned how much the United States doesn't give a crap about Europe.

Let the Ukraine burn for a bit and see how the real war progresses.

 

[MG1968]

No, you just have both sides to keep throwing artillery shells at one another. LOL Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.

Your tactical military acumen is as pathetic as the other Putin apologists. Russia will not win unless Kiev is taken. Period.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Your tactical military acumen is as pathetic as the other Putin apologists. Russia will not win unless Kiev is taken. Period.

I don't recall apologizing for anyone for anything. LOL

Not sure why so emotional, maybe time for another tampon.

 

[apevol]

Your tactical military acumen is as pathetic as the other Putin apologists. Russia will not win unless Kiev is taken. Period.

russia wins if support for ukraine dries up and they hold the donbass. it doesn't matter if ukraine spends the next 5 decades in constant war with them over it as long as they hold that territory and keep it undeveloped.

 

[MG1968]

I don't recall apologizing for anyone for anything. LOL

Not sure why so emotional, maybe time for another tampon.

Don’t you have some “white people” to kvetch about?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Don’t you have some “white people” to kvetch about?

Well, you have to admit that is some stupid ****ing white people over there in the Ukraine.

Europe is like... hold my beer.

You guys have a good Sunday, off to have fun.

 

[NorthDallas40]

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ukraine Soldier: I’m just window shopping thanks

Retreating Russians: ok just tell me what it’s gonna take to get you into this bad boy T72 today my friend!

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

your take seems to be that it doesn't matter what ukraine does because Putin will eventually use tactical nukes if hes being pushed out. if that isn't your take, then you haven't been paying attention

I stay up at night with the thought of a clown like Liz Truss now having the eagerness to push the button rather than Putin. Liz Truss, the people that are running things for Joe Biden and any of these other World Economic Forum/globalists/green energy agenda clowns are far bigger dangers to humanity than Putin. It should be obvious by now that these people do not give a damn about the people they are governing.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

so your stance is the kremlin is inconsistent and dishonest. or you yourself are complicit in nuclear blackmail. congrats!

You can call it nuclear blackmail, or call it nuclear weapons being used as a deterent. No different than what the North Koreans are using them for... and likely what Iran would use them for is they ever got a hold of them. And for that matter... going off of comments seen in here over the last 6+ months, what Ukraine would have (allegedly) done had nukes still been in their "possession".

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Then Russia shouldn’t have invaded a sovereign nation. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

They did that for 2 reasons:
1. To protect the Russian people that were living in the Donbas that had been attacked over the last 8 years (no different than what the United States did with Americans in Texas)
2. To remove assets of a belligerent government that is on their border and being used as a proxy for NATO (no different than what the United States would do if the CCP or Russian Federation would have set up military facilities in Mexico or Cuba)

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Then Russia shouldn’t have invaded a sovereign nation. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Also, United States in Northeast Syria, Turkey in Northern Cypress, NATO in Serbia/Kosovo

I'm waiting to hear and see the same level of outrage and gnashing of teeth with regards to these other situations. That way, I will know that you all are not hypocrites or just bigots.