War in Ukraine

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Russia announces troop pullback from Ukraine's Kharkiv area

Wait..what? The same tired excuse being used again? I wonder if the Russian MoD uses the same troll play book our "local" boys do?
Konashenkov said the Russian move was being made “in order to achieve the stated goals of the special military operation to liberate Donbas,’” an eastern area home to two separatist regions that Russia has declared sovereign.

The claim of a withdrawal to concentrate on Donetsk is similar to the justification Russia gave for pulling back its forces from the Kyiv region earlier this year when they failed to take the capital.
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Even the Donetsk fetal alcohol syndrome militants/terrorist are calling BS on their Russian puppet masters:
Igor Girkin, a Russian who was an early leader of a Moscow-backed separatist uprising in Donetsk in 2014, sneered at the portrayal of the pullback being strategic. On the messaging app Telegram, he acidly called it “the brilliant (clearly within the framework of the plan and even ahead of schedule) operation to transfer the cities of Izyum, Balakliya and Kupiansk to respected Ukrainian partners.”
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norrislakevol said:
Pootin remains a master strategist!!!
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The "strategy" you speak of existed before Putin was moonlighting as a taxi cab driver. There is no winning there.

I don't think he thought the United States would give him a shot at Europe. I think there will be enough supply for this year but its coming at a very high cost. The real war is now onto Europe, we'll see how it turns out but it hard to imagine how next year looks if this continues.

'No Choice But Intervention': Belgium PM Fears "Severe Risk Of Social Unrest"

During an interview with Bloomberg News, De Croo warned:
“The risk of that is de-industrialization and severe risk of fundamental social unrest.”​
Like a number of other EU leaders, who are rapidly diverging from Brussels bureaucrats on the path forward, the Belgium leader warns against unilateral action against Russia, urging
“I honestly do not see any other choice than doing market interventions,” De Croo said. ​
“We don’t get a second chance to prove as 450 million Europeans that we take things in our hands. What you are seeing today is a massive drainage of prosperity out of the European Union.”​
Specifically, Belgium’s federal government is calling for introducing broad price caps on gas markets rather than just on Russian imports “because Vladimir Putin already said that he would stop selling gas.”
"What you are seeing today is a massive drainage of prosperity out of the European Union," De Cross concluded.
“A cap on Russian gas only is a purely political objective,” Belgium’s energy minister doubled-down on De Croo's warnings, adding that Belgium “will not agree to this” as it did not “see the added value in that.”​
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Its going to be interesting to see how long they think a printing press is going to solve a supply problem. The REAL problem is, they are not even identifying the problem.... the problem will take a couple of decades to fix, if they don't want to go back to living in caves.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The "strategy" you speak of existed before Putin was moonlighting as a taxi cab driver. There is no winning there.

I don't think he thought the United States would give him a shot at Europe. I think there will be enough supply for this year but its coming at a very high cost. The real war is now onto Europe, we'll see how it turns out but it hard to imagine how next year looks if this continues.

'No Choice But Intervention': Belgium PM Fears "Severe Risk Of Social Unrest"



Its going to be interesting to see how long they think a printing press is going to solve a supply problem. The REAL problem is, they are not even identifying the problem.... the problem will take a couple of decades to fix, if they don't want to go back to living in caves.
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your take seems to be that it doesn't matter what ukraine does because Putin will eventually use tactical nukes if hes being pushed out. if that isn't your take, then you haven't been paying attention
 
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apevol said:
your take seems to be that it doesn't matter what ukraine does because Putin will eventually use tactical nukes if hes being pushed out. if that isn't your take, then you haven't been paying attention
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That's the Russian strategy for 30+ years, funny, you claim others are not paying attention. I seriously doubt they change their strategy now, a little late for that. Its not Putin's strategy, it was Russian's strategy since he was moonlighting as a taxi cab driver.

None of this is new.

Onto Europe. <--------- This is the real war, another one of United States's lambs.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
That's the Russian strategy for 30+ years, funny, you claim others are not paying attention. I seriously doubt they change their strategy now, a little late for that. Its not Putin's strategy, it was Russian's strategy since he was moonlighting as a taxi cab driver.

None of this is new.

Onto Europe. <--------- This is the real war.
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theyve ruled out the use of nukes in ukraine.

your mindset is in step with their media's attempt to make the russian population complicit in nuclear blackmail against the west. its a ****** look on anyone, and you wear it proudly
 
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theyve ruled out the use of nukes in ukraine.

your mindset is in step with their media's attempt to make the russian population complicit in nuclear blackmail against the west. its a ****** look on anyone, and you wear it proudly
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Watch it ape! You’re questioning the master you’re about to join the club!
 
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LSU-SIU said:
No they didn't they even reaffirmed when they would use nukes the other day. I posted it.
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Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has said Russia is not considering turning to nuclear weapons in the war in Ukraine, and reiterated Moscow's stance that the use of such capabilities would only follow a "threat for existence."
 
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apevol said:
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has said Russia is not considering turning to nuclear weapons in the war in Ukraine, and reiterated Moscow's stance that the use of such capabilities would only follow a "threat for existence."
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They are not going to allow foreign forces the ability to invade in mass at, in, or around the border. You don't land nukes on your own territory, you do it on the idiot's territory. That's the whole purpose of a clear Ukraine from troops, no ability to immediately invade Russia.

Per Reuters, he stressed Russia's official position, explaining that nuclear arms could only be used in "response to weapons of mass destruction or a conventional weapons attack that threatened the existence of the Russian state."
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This can mean anything. Of course, its probably somewhat of a last option, or until you have X number of conventional weapon losses.

But no there is win here for the Ukraine. Russia's whole strategy is to nuke enemies before they get to the border in mass hence why the Ukraine exists.

Ukraine's Top General Doesn't Rule Out "Limited" Nuclear War

Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces Gen. Valery Zaluzhny stated "There is a direct threat of the use, under certain circumstances, of tactical nuclear weapons by the Russian armed forces." He wrote this in an op-ed published by state run outlet Ukrinform, with the alarming words being picked up by The Washington Post and others.
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Duh. They have only spoke about this for 30+ years and is why they have by far the biggest tactical nuclear arsenal in the world.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
They are not going to allow foreign forces the ability to invade in mass at, in, or around the border. You don't land nukes on your own territory, you do it on the idiot's territory. That's the whole purpose of a clear Ukraine from troops, no ability to immediately invade Russia.



This can mean anything. Of course, its probably somewhat of a last option, or until you have X number of conventional weapon losses.

But no there is win here for the Ukraine. Russia's whole strategy is to nuke enemies before they get to the border in mass hence why the Ukraine exists.
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so your stance is the kremlin is inconsistent and dishonest. or you yourself are complicit in nuclear blackmail. congrats!
 
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apevol said:
so your stance is the kremlin is inconsistent and dishonest. or you yourself are complicit in nuclear blackmail. congrats!
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Honest, they've been saying for 30+ ****ing years what they plan on doing, its not a secret. Even the dumb of the dumb Congress figured this out 25 years ago.

Any country that has nukes would do the same thing. LOL That's why you have nukes.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Honest, they've been saying for 30+ ****ing years what they plan on doing, its not a secret.
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with modern icbms every country in this world is under constant existential threat, you dope. even without them there are enough nuclear subs in the Atlantic to reduce Moscow to cinders many many many times over. There is no added threat.
 
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apevol said:
with modern icbms every country in this world is under constant existential threat, you dope. even without them there are enough nuclear subs in the Atlantic to reduce Moscow to cinders many many many times over. There is no added threat.
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That is what their tactical nuclear force is for. LOL They're not going to use icbms you dope. LOL They are called tactical nukes.

Only an idiot would have a plan to drop nukes on their own land. LOL

Why are Ukrainian commanders saying Russia might use tactical nukes, well, because its their strategy for the last 30 years.

There isn't anything complex about this. That is why they set up all these neutral Ukraine agreements.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
That is what their tactical nuclear force is for. LOL They're not going to use icbms you dope. LOL They are called tactical nukes.
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when did i say they were going to use icbms? try to catch up.

Getting spanked for putting your hand in the cookie jar too many times is NOT an existential threat. That threat already exists, if we're talking theoretically. If we're not speaking theoretically, then russia being driven out of another nations borders is NOT an existential threat.
 
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apevol said:
when did i say they were going to use icbms? try to catch up.

Getting spanked for putting your hand in the cookie jar too many times is NOT an existential threat. That threat already exists, if we're talking theoretically. If we're not speaking theoretically, then russia being driven out of another nations borders is NOT an existential threat.
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The strategy is keep out large mass of troops in the Ukraine, so that they can drop the nukes in if have to. Nobody is going to ask you for permission, their policy has been pretty clear for 30+ years.

Their not going to allow either NATO or even the Ukrainians near the border if it comes to that... which is why they are there to start with.

The Ukrainian commander is correct as this has been Russian policy and strategy for 30 years, to late to change now.
 
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