Can someone explain the logic

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Rankings dont mean jack sh1t until Oct/November..thats about when you really find out who is a good team or a great team.
 
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A true ranking would just make all the rest of college football angry as SEC teams would dominate the top 15. TV ratings trying to hype of ACC teams and a few non-power 5 teams to start out the year. In reality middle of the pack SEC teams would run right through some of the schedules these other teams face.
 
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ecs4dvols said:
The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?
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ecs4dvols said:
The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?
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The sports writers of the AP and generally the voters in the other polls tend to look at what the team has done, not what they might do, and rank them accordingly. Pitts the dedending ACC Champ, beat us in Knoxville last year, and beat an archrival last week, so until the lose they aren't dropping in the polls. Gamblers don't care that much about "giving a team the benefit of the doubt". They see a Pitt roster ranked 49th in the recruiting composite vs. Tennessee at 19th, and a Pitt defense that got 31 scored on them by a WV team ranked 88th out of 130 in scoring offense. The over/under is 65.5. Vols are 6.5 or 7 point favorites. The safer play is taking the over. We'll hang 40+ on them, just hope that's enough for the win.
 
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Side note. Uf went from unranked to number 12 for beating Utah in a nailbiter at home. Seems like a very generous bump.
 
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ecs4dvols said:
The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?
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Since when did the AP report anything other than the Vegas spreads?
This is a non issue.
 
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Pitt is a defending conference champion with a lot of experienced returning players and their QB looks the part and very capable.

I just don't understand all the Pitt hate. I really don't.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
A true ranking would just make all the rest of college football angry as SEC teams would dominate the top 15. TV ratings trying to hype of ACC teams and a few non-power 5 teams to start out the year. In reality middle of the pack SEC teams would run right through some of the schedules these other teams face.
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We lost to Purdue and Pitt last year. Bama and UGA being world beaters doesn’t tell us anything about how good the rest of the conference is since the rest of the SEC loses to them in blowouts too. Last year, outside of Bama and UGA, the SEC went 10-14 against P5/good AAC/bowl game opponents. Of those 10 wins, only 4 came against teams that ended the season with a winning record. Only 1 win was against a team that had at least 10 wins. 7 of the losses came against teams that had fewer than 9 wins.

Fact is, the SEC struggles against good and average OOC opponents but beats up on bad OOC opponents.
 
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West Coast Vol said:
The spread comes from Vegas, not the AP. Would be interesting to see a Vegas-based ranking system. Folks actually putting money on the game rank Tennessee about a TD higher.
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This would be really cool.

I’d trust it more than a lot of other ranking out there easily.
 
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madbamahater said:
Pitt is a defending conference champion with a lot of experienced returning players and their QB looks the part and very capable.

I just don't understand all the Pitt hate. I really don't.
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Pitt is ranked 14th there is no hate. Just reality WGWTFA..... That is all
 
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It makes about as much sense as Florida jumping from unranked to 12 and Utah only falling 7 spots.

Which makes about as much sense as 11 ranked Oregon losing to 3 ranked Georgia and completely falling out of the top 25.
 
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08Vol said:
We lost to Purdue and Pitt last year. Bama and UGA being world beaters doesn’t tell us anything about how good the rest of the conference is since the rest of the SEC loses to them in blowouts too. Last year, outside of Bama and UGA, the SEC went 10-14 against P5/good AAC/bowl game opponents. Of those 10 wins, only 4 came against teams that ended the season with a winning record. Only 1 win was against a team that had at least 10 wins. 7 of the losses came against teams that had fewer than 9 wins.

Fact is, the SEC struggles against good and average OOC opponents but beats up on bad OOC opponents.
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If you take out the top 2 teams in every conference of course that changes the dynamic of things. What if those top players that attended UGA and Bama decided to go to other SEC schools? Then the other schools would be better. Its a silly argument to make.
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Last year we had 25 scholarship players transfer out of our program. We didn't even come close to utilizing our full scholarship limit of 85 players. Only having 71 at one point. Even then we barely lost to the ACC champions, Pitt, by 7 points, in our coach's 2nd game of the year. And yes, the refs refused to count a TD against Purdue. This is a new year. And I wouldn't say we were blown out by Alabama last year. We kept it within a TD for over 75% of the game in their stadium.

Edit: Not to mention Texas A&M beat Bama and Florida had it within a few points.
 
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ecs4dvols said:
The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?
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rankings and the lines put out by Vegas are not linked together and have no meaning related to each other. Rankings are opinions of writers and coaches on where teams are in their opinion. The lines of football games is driven by how much money is being bet on the two teams playing each other...
 
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vavolfan6 said:
If you take out the top 2 teams in every conference of course that changes the dynamic of things. What if those top players that attended UGA and Bama decided to go to other SEC schools? Then the other schools would be better. Its a silly argument to make.
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Last year we had 25 scholarship players transfer out of our program. We didn't even come close to utilizing our full scholarship limit of 85 players. Only having 71 at one point. Even then we barely lost to the ACC champions, Pitt, by 7 points, in our coach's 2nd game of the year. And yes, the refs refused to count a TD against Purdue. This is a new year. And I wouldn't say we were blown out by Alabama last year. We kept it within a TD for over 75% of the game in their stadium.

Edit: Not to mention Texas A&M beat Bama and Florida had it within a few points.
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Don’t look at just UT then. You said middle of the pack SEC teams would run through the some of the schedules these other teams face. So let’s see how well the middle of the pack SEC teams did last year playing these OOC teams. Remove the 4 best and 4 worst SEC teams to get the middle which was Ark, A&M, MS State, UT, SCAR, and AU. Those teams went 6-7 in their OOC games from my last post. Bama and UGA are better than teams from any other conference. The middle of the SEC would also be the middle of pretty much any P5 conference if they moved there. Bama and UGA being great doesn’t make us great just b/c we play in the same conference as they do. It just means more…losses
 
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The AP: who ppl “LIKE” the best
Betting Line: who ppl like the best and are willing to put money on it
 
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ecs4dvols said:
The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?
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There be no logic here
 
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08Vol said:
Don’t look at just UT then. You said middle of the pack SEC teams would run through the some of the schedules these other teams face. So let’s see how well the middle of the pack SEC teams did last year playing these OOC teams. Remove the 4 best and 4 worst SEC teams to get the middle which was Ark, A&M, MS State, UT, SCAR, and AU. Those teams went 6-7 in their OOC games from my last post. Bama and UGA are better than teams from any other conference. The middle of the SEC would also be the middle of pretty much any P5 conference if they moved there. Bama and UGA being great doesn’t make us great just b/c we play in the same conference as they do. It just means more…losses
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Nope, I disagree. If you place Arkansas, A&M, or UT, UF in the ACC, Pac 12, or Big 12 they would likely be considered championship contenders. Clemson, Oklahoma, and Baylor would be the favorites. But even then, that wasn't the point. The point was that the SEC could run through their schedule. So technically you would put the SEC teams in their place, not up against them.

If you "add" a middle of the road SEC team to another conference, then that would hypothetically make it a different and much stronger conference.

You see, your OOC stats are leaving out the technicalities. You are trying to let below average teams like MS State, USCe, and a depleted UT team last year affect the outcome. You also are counting the Big 10 in the stats which obviously is a step up from the rest of the Power 5 conferences.
 
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ecs4dvols said:
The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?
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Sounds about PAR for the course; those guys know College Football like know about Astrophysics.
 
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