Official Gramps' Memorial Eternal OT Thread

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Weezer said:
So, you smoke a lot of crack, do ya?
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That is strictly an opinion by the way so I will not pass that off as fact. Magic did have 5 titles before Jordan had one. And if Magic wanted to put up 30 plus points a night he could have. But he didn't need to. And he truly made every other player on the team better and plus he could play anywhere on the court if he wanted to.

I guess Larry Bird must have been smoking crack too huh?

 
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DonjoVol said:
That is strictly an opinion by the way so I will not pass that off as fact. Magic did have 5 titles before Jordan had one. And if Magic wanted to put up 30 plus points a night he could have. But he didn't need to. And he truly made every other player on the team better and plus he could play anywhere on the court if he wanted to.

I guess Larry Bird must have been smoking crack too huh?

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Magic also played with Kareem. Scotty Pippen wasn't even close to being Kareem. I consider Magic one of the top 5 best ever. Better than LeBron, IMO. But Jordan is the GOAT. Pretty sure even Magic acknowledged that.
 
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To be honest, it's hard for me to consider any player in today's league among the greatest, because the rules are so different now. The rules favor offense and discourage hard defense. I can only imagine how many points Jordan would score in the current game where simply touching him would draw a foul.
 
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Weezer said:
To be honest, it's hard for me to consider any player in today's league among the greatest, because the rules are so different now. The rules favor offense and discourage hard defense. I can only imagine how many points Jordan would score in the current game where simply touching him would draw a foul.
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I'd like to see Curry try to go across the lane against the late 80s Pistons.
 
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hog88 said:
I'd like to see Curry try to go across the lane against the late 80s Pistons.
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The Bad Boy Pistons wouldn't be allowed in today's game. Hard defense has been taken out of the game, which is sad IMO.
 
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Bill Laimbeer and Dennis Rodman would make LeBron cry. I mean literally cry.
 
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Top 30 players all time in no particular order:

Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Lebron James, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Oscar Robertson, Isiah Thomas, Steph Curry, Kobe Bryant, Hakeem Olajuwon, Jerry West, Bob Cousy, Bill Russell, John Havlicek, Kevin Durant, Kevin Garnett, Clyde Drexler, Charles Barkley, Dirk Nowitzki, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Shaquille O Neal, Julius Erving, Moses Malone, Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, Russell Westbrook, Tim Duncan, Dwyane Wade.

Of course many others could make the list and its always debatable who belongs in the top ten.

And here is a fun fact. The only RB to gain 1,000 rushing yards in a season while playing with Dan Marino was Karim Abdul Jabbar.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Top 30 players all time in no particular order:

Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Lebron James, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Oscar Robertson, Isiah Thomas, Steph Curry, Kobe Bryant, Hakeem Olajuwon, Jerry West, Bob Cousy, Bill Russell, John Havlicek, Kevin Durant, Kevin Garnett, Clyde Drexler, Charles Barkley, Dirk Nowitzki, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Shaquille O Neal, Julius Erving, Moses Malone, Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, Russell Westbrook, Tim Duncan, Dwyane Wade.

Of course many others could make the list and its always debatable who belongs in the top ten.

And here is a fun fact. The only RB to gain 1,000 rushing yards in a season while playing with Dan Marino was Karim Abdul Jabbar.
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That is a pretty good list. It would be interesting to see how well great players from previous decades could compete in todays game.
 
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hog88 said:
LeBron has the body for that era, only his mindset could prevent him from being one of the stars back then.
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Sure he has the body for it. Lot of current NBA players have the body for it. But they've been taught to play soft. How many could transition to that mindset? I'm not sure a lot could. NBA is a microcosm of the world around us.
 
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hog88 said:
LeBron has the body for that era, only his mindset could prevent him from being one of the stars back then.
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Lambieer was a tough guy but man he and the rest of the pistons were bunch of damn sore losing cry babies when they had to pass the torch to the bulls.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
That is a pretty good list. It would be interesting to see how well great players from previous decades could compete in todays game.
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I think NBA players from the past could transition to today's game easier than today's players could transition to the NBA of the past.
 
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Weezer said:
I think NBA players from the past could transition to today's game easier than today's players could transition to the NBA of the past.
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Jordan would average over 50 points a game if he was coming out of college now.. The main difference I see with current big men compared to the past is skill set, athleticism, and the ability to shoot the ball from deep. The mentality of current greats is different though. As good as Durant is, he is a horrible leader for someone that will go down as one of the best.
 
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Weezer said:
Bill Laimbeer and Dennis Rodman would make LeBron cry. I mean literally cry.
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I do think guys like Draymond and Giannis could hang with Laimbeer and Rodman.

I believe Laimbeer or one of those guys that used to play for the Pistons back in the day said that one of their main jobs back then was to protect Isiah. And notice how Jordan did not win his titles with the Bulls until Phil Jackson came along and they got some big men of their own to match up against the Pistons big men. Players like Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright, Cliff Levingston, and Will Perdue. They needed them to match up against Laimbeer, Rodman, James Edwards and John Salley. Cartwright and Grant were just as physical as Rodman and Laimbeer.
 
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Weezer said:
To be honest, it's hard for me to consider any player in today's league among the greatest, because the rules are so different now. The rules favor offense and discourage hard defense. I can only imagine how many points Jordan would score in the current game where simply touching him would draw a foul.
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He'd be hanging at least 45-50 PPG in today's NBA.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I do think guys like Draymond and Giannis could hang with Laimbeer and Rodman.

I believe Laimbeer or one of those guys that used to play for the Pistons back in the day said that one of their main jobs back then was to protect Isiah. And notice how Jordan did not win his titles with the Bulls until Phil Jackson came along and they got some big men of their own to match up against the Pistons big men. Players like Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright, Cliff Levingston, and Will Perdue. They needed them to match up against Laimbeer, Rodman, James Edwards and John Salley. Cartwright and Grant were just as physical as Rodman and Laimbeer.
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shoulda been called Will Vanderbilt
 
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Weezer said:
I think NBA players from the past could transition to today's game easier than today's players could transition to the NBA of the past.
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Perimeter guys could do it easier than the bigs IMO. Big guys back then didn't have to be fast or handle the ball much like today.
 
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hog88 said:
Perimeter guys could do it easier than the bigs IMO. Big guys back then didn't have to be fast or handle the ball much like today.
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True, but I think the great bigs of the past could feast in today's game.
 
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Weezer said:
Athletes of today don't seem to have the same competitive fire as athletes of the past. Now, it's all about money.
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Went to an FCA banquet a few years ago, the keynote speaker was a D lineman that played for the Vikings back in the 70's. He told a story about breaking his wrist at the end of the season but was still selected to the pro-bowl. He decided to play because an o-lineman he didn't like was selected to play and it would be the last time he would have a chance to hit him for awhile.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Jordan would average over 50 points a game if he was coming out of college now.. The main difference I see with current big men compared to the past is skill set, athleticism, and the ability to shoot the ball from deep. The mentality of current greats is different though. As good as Durant is, he is a horrible leader for someone that will go down as one of the best.
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There were big men that could shoot the ball back in the day. Sam Perkins and Laimbeer come to mind. The game was just different back then and players like Hakeem and Ewing first priority was to get points in the post, get rebounds and play the best defense they possibly could. There are highlights of both of them handling the ball very well.

Take a look at some of these plays by Ewing and how athletic he was back in the day.

 
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