President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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McDad said:
I agree with easier (less bureaucracy and less political). I don't agree with cheap...depending on what the definition of cheap is.
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I don't think it should cost thousands of dollars to become a citizen. The truth is we need immigration badly. We are going to have a 20 year experiment in watching Europe handle a massive aging population needing to be supported by a much smaller working class. They will be our case study. But don't kid yourself. Our Ponzi scheme requires new blood.
 
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lostsheep said:
My point stands. I am record as saying you have to give him credit when there is good economic news during his administration. Yet...you can't.
Asking me to point to a specific policy impacting the current economic situation is the deflection here.
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That's not a deflection. Whether the good or bad news is related to the president's policies or actions should be what determines whether or not he gets any blame or credit.
 
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volfanhill said:
I don't think it should cost thousands of dollars to become a citizen. The truth is we need immigration badly. We are going to have a 20 year experiment in watching Europe handle a massive aging population needing to be supported by a much smaller working class. They will be our case study. But don't kid yourself. Our Ponzi scheme requires new blood.
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I think it should cost several thousand. Also think the cost should increase based on occupation, education, and net worth.
 
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McDad said:
The ideas I like are not politically attractive.

Briefly:
Hefty fee for immigration. Immigration moves from restricted, provisional, and to full citizenship. Immigrant must have a sponsor(s) who is responsible financially and legally (limited) for immigrants successful integration into American society.
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I’m for indentured servants as a pathway to legal immigration. Probably not a popular idea either.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
No jobs were created.

People went back to work and some people are having to work two jobs due to the highest inflation in years.
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Another thing to note is that hundreds of thousands of "open positions" disappeared. This is from companies taking those jobs off the board or instituting hiring freezes. You know, like during a typical booming economy.
 
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McDad said:
I think it should cost several thousand. Also think the cost should increase based on occupation, education, and net worth.
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Interesting. May I ask a base line question? If so, my question is do you believe that we have an aging population problem?
 
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McDad said:
It looks to me the politicians want them here regardless of legality.
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Historically illegals are cheap labor for the Republicans and parents of future voters for the Democrats. So no hope of any real effort to stop their entry.
Of course a national ID card would help with that but most, including me, don't want that.
 
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EasternVol said:
Historically illegals are cheap labor for the Republicans and parents of future voters for the Democrats. So no hope of any real effort to stop their entry.
Of course a national ID card would help with that but most, including me, don't want that.
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The ID issue is a part of the thought behind sponsorship.
 
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SlingBlayde said:
Is it really? Was Jesus absurd?

Mat 12:30 Whoever is not with me is against me...

I see complacency with the southern border as the antithesis of the above. Whoever isn't against it, is for it.
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Yes it is as is your cherry picking of scripture. Are you saying Jesus would be against immigrants or democrats? Very confusing
 
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utvolpj said:
Yes it is as is your cherry picking of scripture. Are you saying Jesus would be against immigrants or democrats? Very confusing
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Neither. I’m illustrating a principle. Politicians that have the power to stop drugs and human trafficking but don’t, are complicit and in a sense, supportive by their inaction. Sins of omission if you will.
 
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volfanhill said:
I don't think it should cost thousands of dollars to become a citizen. The truth is we need immigration badly. We are going to have a 20 year experiment in watching Europe handle a massive aging population needing to be supported by a much smaller working class. They will be our case study. But don't kid yourself. Our Ponzi scheme requires new blood.
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I agree. If we want certain people we shouldn't put barriers in their paths.
 
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volfanhill said:
So then why would we put up larger obstacles to immigration? Unless you have a different solution.
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It's a fair question. But it isn't one I can answer. We don't have any data which illustrates immigration increases/decreases dramatically at certain price points. We don't have the data because we've never structured the process that way. We would need to experiment with prices to optimize influx, quality, and types of immigrants we need.

I arrived at my starting cost by reading how much some illegal immigrants pay to get across the border.
 
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McDad said:
It's a fair question. But it isn't one I can answer. We don't have any data which illustrates immigration increases/decreases dramatically at certain price points. We don't have the data because we've never structured the process that way. We would need to experiment with prices to optimize influx, quality, and types of immigrants we need.

I arrived at my starting cost by reading how much some illegal immigrants pay to get across the border.
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Interesting. I will have a better response then that at a later time. Thank you for giving me something to consider.
 
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McDad said:
The ideas I like are not politically attractive.

Briefly:
Hefty fee for immigration. Immigration moves from restricted, provisional, and to full citizenship. Immigrant must have a sponsor(s) who is responsible financially and legally (limited) for immigrants successful integration into American society.
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Nothing there immediately strikes me as out of place.

Can we make real change to legal flows while illegal flows persist at the current rate?
 
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