Gun control debate (merged)

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luthervol said:
I find the complete hypocrisy in the age requirements.
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Funny thing is I agree with you. If someone is considered too immature to handle a gun then that same person should be considered too immature to do many other things - like vote - to assume an educational loan - and the list goes on. We really do need to consider age and maturity and decide when a kid is ready to be considered an adult capable of making adult decisions. It's obviously not 18 and likely not even 21 across the board. The thing is maturity has a lot more to do with a person being responsible for himself or herself - like earning a living, living within what you earn, etc.

The problem is not everybody is showing that responsibility equally - certainly not kids who have never transitioned from learning (and likely accumulating debt) to living and earning responsibly. Therefore we have to take a stab at the age of majority - and it sure as hell needs to go back up to at least 21 - maybe more. That includes voting and other responsibilities.
 
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hog88 said:
Being old and not saving for it is failing, disabling oneself is failing, not having insurance is failing. Not taking care of family that is truly mentally ill is failing.
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You do you Hog. I'm just not as bitter, cynical, and lacking in compassion and empathy as are you.
Millions find themselves in dire need of a helping hand through little or no fault of their own.
If you choose to live your life in denial of that fact, so be it. I guess it's a pretty good conscious cleanser.
 
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luthervol said:
You do you Hog. I'm just not as bitter, cynical, and lacking in compassion and empathy as are you.
Millions find themselves in dire need of a helping hand through little or no fault of their own.
If you choose to live your life in denial of that fact, so be it. I guess it's a pretty good conscious cleanser.
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There is a difference between a "helping hand" and propagating dependence. I'm all for short term helping someone out that's fallen on hard times but our government purposefully promotes dependence to retain power and control.

Just imagine what we could do for the truly helpless if we weren't supporting able bodied people.
 
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luthervol said:
Being old isn't a failure. Being disabled isn't a failure. Being critically ill isn't a failure. Being an orphan isn't a failure. Being mentally ill isn't a failure.

The whole premise of your comment says it all.
I don't believe we should give a dime to anyone who refuses to help themselves (with the possible exception of the mentally ill). Never have - never will.
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But there’s no doubt that you have your own ridiculous definition of “mentally ill”. Probably due to lack of self awareness.
 
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AM64 said:
Funny thing is I agree with you. If someone is considered too immature to handle a gun then that same person should be considered too immature to do many other things - like vote - to assume an educational loan - and the list goes on. We really do need to consider age and maturity and decide when a kid is ready to be considered an adult capable of making adult decisions. It's obviously not 18 and likely not even 21 across the board. The thing is maturity has a lot more to do with a person being responsible for himself or herself - like earning a living, living within what you earn, etc.

The problem is not everybody is showing that responsibility equally - certainly not kids who have never transitioned from learning (and likely accumulating debt) to living and earning responsibly. Therefore we have to take a stab at the age of majority - and it sure as hell needs to go back up to at least 21 - maybe more. That includes voting and other responsibilities.
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My vote is 25. Those actuaries are following the math.
 
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hog88 said:
There is a difference between a "helping hand" and propagating dependence. I'm all for short term helping someone out that's fallen on hard times but our government purposefully promotes dependence to retain power and control.

Just imagine what we could do for the truly helpless if we weren't supporting able bodied people.
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I agree with most of this, just not the part about the government purposefully promoting dependence to retain power and control.
That's a little Q-ish for me.
 
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luthervol said:
I agree with most of this, just not the part about the government purposefully promoting dependence to retain power and control.
That's a little Q-ish for me.
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The government has been doing it since FDR. Johnson, though, took it to a whole other level.

I think there is even a quote of Johnson's, something to the effect of how a certain segment will vote democratic forever.
 
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luthervol said:
I agree with most of this, just not the part about the government purposefully promoting dependence to retain power and control.
That's a little Q-ish for me.
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It’s a little socialist for me when the left tries so hard to turn what is a republic into a democracy , without acknowledging that all democracies eventually turn into a dictatorship.
 
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Ah, what could possibly go wrong with every school having a heavily armed "commando" actively "looking for trouble."

God, the contortions you knuckledraggers will go through to avoid the obvious answer: we gotta get guns under control.

 
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evillawyer said:
Ah, what could possibly go wrong with every school having a heavily armed "commando" actively "looking for trouble."

God, the contortions you knuckledraggers will go through to avoid the obvious answer: we gotta get guns under control.

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Name one firearm that isn’t controlled , I’ll wait . Now name any public school that’s considered a hard target , I’ll wait . Don’t be dumb and believe political agendas that cares more about votes than the value of a safe school . Wait who am I kidding .. carry on with you sh!t postings
 
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evillawyer said:
Ah, what could possibly go wrong with every school having a heavily armed "commando" actively "looking for trouble."

God, the contortions you knuckledraggers will go through to avoid the obvious answer: we gotta get guns under control.

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With over 400 million out there I’m sure you can come up with a law that all criminals will abide by.
 
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0nelilreb said:
You just had a liberal President say that if SCOTUS doesn’t rule the way he believes he should use EO to try and mitigate that ruling and you said nothing . One of the lefts biggest talking points their propaganda machine pumps out is how “ fill in the blank - is killing or a threat to our democracy “ . It’s getting harder to take your posts serious , when the threats always seem to be from the opposite end of your subjective opinions . Go ahead and tell us again how close to “ center “ you think you are . 😂
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He's not a centrist, he's 100% communist.
 
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