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I can’t stand it when people use this to degrade Eli’s accomplishments the man threw 1 INT in 2 Super Bowls and won both. Ok it took 2 great catches it also took him not turning the ball over constantly.
The bottom line is he won. He deserves all the credit that should come with that.
 
Another example where money screws something up...................:rolleyes:

I get it, make your money and screw everyone else:mad:

I don't know all the ins & outs, but it does seem to me like PGA's stance is as much to blame. I think some players want more control of their schedule & earnings & PGA is taking a hard line. Not knowing all the details so I may be wrong, but it also makes me think of the American Football League. Does PGA just not want any competition or is there more to it than that?
 
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Josh Heupel turned one of the most stagnant offenses in college football into one of the most fluid and fierce.

He elicited career-best play from several defenders who stuck with the program, even though predecessor Jeremy Pruitt’s messy firing gave it a strong case as the nation’s most dysfunctional as of January 2021. His first Tennessee team overachieved on the field, 7-6 with single-season school records of 511 points and 67 touchdowns. That’s 67 touchdowns for a team with 69 scholarship players by the end. Heupel translated on-field momentum to the recruiting trail, the aspect of a head coach’s skill set that was doubted most when he was hired away from UCF by his old boss at UCF, AD Danny White.

“We don’t really have any interaction with them,” Heupel told The Athletic of Spyre Sports. “We’ve embraced NIL. I just go back to my playing career, those are things I would have liked to have the opportunity to take advantage of. You play for a powerful brand here at UT, but you have your brand too. Keeping your eyes on the most important thing, which is your academic success and how you grow as a football player.

“But there’s time to be able to balance those things. For us at Tennessee, we’ve embraced it, and I think this is a great place. This fan base is top five in any social media platform or followership, our stadium seats over 102,000, the Vol Walk and Vol Navy are two of the most unique things in all of college sports. There’s nothing better than a Saturday afternoon in Knoxville, Tennessee. Then you take into account this city and the personal and professional opportunities that are afforded our student-athletes here. It’s a really unique dynamic in college sports, and certainly inside this league.”

The question for Tennessee’s hyper-paced offense, an exciting question, is this: What will a full offseason as the clear No. 1 quarterback mean for Hooker? The Virginia Tech transfer lost the starting job to Joe Milton — whose return is an underrated development for the Vols, by the way — and didn’t make it his own until the third week, then played through injuries in the final month of the regular season.

“There’s still a ton of growth for him,” Heupel said. “Year 2 in this offense, typically we make great strides from Year 1 to Year 2 everywhere we’ve been. And his best football is still ahead of him. For him, it’s the first offseason where I think he knows he’s the guy. I think that’s allowed him to take and focus on just simple leadership things that we need from him as well. His habits inside the building have been awesome. You feel his energy. He’s continuing to develop his voice as a leader, which will be instrumental for us in the offseason and as we head into camp.”

Hooker grabbed the top spots in passer efficiency rating and completion percentage, but he also finished fourth in school history in total offense (3,561), third in quarterback rushing yards (616), tied for third in passing touchdowns (31) and 10th in passing yards (2,945). If he stays healthy in this full season as a starter and makes the jump his coaches foresee, he could end up atop a few more categories.

There’s a burgeoning star on the other end of Hooker’s passes, too. Cedric Tillman was as big of a surprise as anyone on the team after managing eight catches from 2018 to 2020. He had 64 for 1,081 yards and 12 touchdowns in 2021, becoming the first UT receiver since Justin Hunter in 2012 to crack 1,000 in a season. Hooker to Tillman could be as dangerous as any SEC passing connection in 2022.

The story of the spring, though, was the emergence of junior receiver Jalin Hyatt, who surprisingly ended up well behind Tillman and (the now-departed) Velus Jones Jr., and JaVonta Payton in 2021. Hyatt told reporters during the spring that he “just got complacent” after Pruitt was fired and Heupel hired, which led to an underwhelming 21-catch season. Hyatt said the past offseason was the hardest he’s worked, and that matches up with what coaches have seen from him.

“He has completely changed his body, which has allowed him to gain confidence in the way he plays in the middle of the football field, not just taking the top off the defense,” Heupel said of Hyatt.

“He’s becoming a complete receiver,” Golesh said, and that would give Hooker two reliable targets to lead the way for an otherwise young receiving corps — other than senior Ramel Keyton, who will be in a fight for snaps.

USC transfer Bru McCoy, a five-star recruit in 2019, will be in the mix as well. He did not play in 2021 after he was investigated, but not charged, under suspicion of domestic assault. Golesh is hoping Jimmy Calloway can take a step in the slot, and Jimmy Holiday is a gifted player still looking for his breakout. Walker Merrill could be a factor. Of the freshmen, Golesh liked a lot of what he saw in the spring from Chas Nimrod and Kaleb Webb, though both were swimming a bit mentally by the end. Nimrod is slightly ahead entering camp, and Golesh said both will be “really, really good SEC receivers” eventually.

But 5-10, 160-pound Squirrel White may be too good to keep off the field. That may be mostly in a returner role, or perhaps more than that.

“He is really, really special,” Golesh said of White. “Like, really, really, really special. How much you put on him as a freshman? You talk about how fast we play, that’s a positive in a lot of ways — it’s a negative for a receiver trying to figure it all out. But he’s one of the toughest kids I’ve ever been around, he catches everything and he’s really smart.”

Running back is his biggest concern in terms of depth, with Tiyon Evans off to Louisville after some electric stretches in 2021. Coaches are thrilled to have starter Jabari Small back, and he has “transformed his body,” Golesh said, to be prepared for a huge workload after he was banged up often in 2021. Jaylen Wright and Len’Neth Whitehead are next, but there’s an opportunity for incoming freshman Justin Williams-Thomas.

“I feel way better than I did going into spring,” Golesh said of the offensive line. “Not like jumping on the table yelling about it, but a lot better.”

It was not a big surprise to see Tennessee instantly transform into one of the fastest and most productive offenses in college football in 2021. A bigger surprise was Tim Banks’ defense turning in some excellent performances and setting the single-season school record with 102 tackles for loss.

Linebacker Jeremy Banks (team-high 128 tackles) [is] back, flanked on the edge by Byron Young and Tyler Baron, supported in the back end by senior safeties — Trevon Flowers and Jaylen McCollough — who showed exactly the what coaches were hoping to see in the spring.

“Two guys who do a great job on the defensive side of the football have stepped up on their leadership roles,” Heupel said. “Trey has come back for his sixth year. Similar to Theo Jackson in how he approached it this spring. He’s different than he was last fall, and that’s been true since the first day he got back in January.”

“Byron Young has to take another step,” Heupel said. “We feel like he has really developed fundamentally. He’s such a young football player. If you look back at his career, the limited number of snaps he had in junior college, and then obviously a ton of growth last year. His best football is ahead of him. We feel like he took a step in spring ball. He’s got to become an elite pass rusher for us. That’s critical for our third-and-long defense. He did some of those things in the spring.

“Tyler Baron took steps for us in spring ball too. He’s got to be a dominant football player on the edge for us. And then Omari Thomas inside, he continues to develop; I feel like he’s going to be a great leader. But his work habits have allowed him to change his body and grow fundamentally, playing a lot more vertically. They’re so much more comfortable in what we’re doing right now vs. a year ago. They’ve really grabbed on to it. We’ve got some guys ready to play at a really high level. We have to continue to develop depth at that position.”

Key stat to know: The Vols were 101st in the FBS in third-down success allowed, a robust 42.13 percent, which placed them 13th in the SEC, ahead of only Missouri. Banks has dug in on third-and-long situations in particular, telling reporters that’s been a specific practice point in advance of the 2022 season.

The big loss is Jones at returner. He averaged 27.3 per kick return with a 96-yard touchdown. The Vols have plenty of options there, starting with Holiday on kick returns, but keep an eye on White, the freshman.
 
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Arguing while knowing you’re wrong is it’s own unique kind of madness. Never mad! 😎
 
I apologize but I couldn’t resist adding my 2 cents to the NIL discussion.

First, anyone looking at O’Bannon and Alston to try to figure out the legal landscape for NIL and payment of players is potentially at least somewhat behind the curve.

The new case is HOUSE VS NCAA.

The case was filed in 2020 and amended in 2021. The NCAA unsuccessfully sought to get the case dismissed.

The case is in the Federal District Court of Northern California (Oakland).

The case is before U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken, who presided over O’Bannon and Alston, but is a long way from resolution. Judge Wilken is scheduled to hold a hearing on class certification on May 24, 2023, and a jury trial in Oakland is scheduled for Sept. 26, 2024. With potential appeals, the case could be on the docket well into the 2020s. But time hasn’t been a deterrent to those who seek NCAA reform. Both O’Bannon and Alston took more than six years, and both cases defeated the NCAA.

Co-counsel on the case is Jeffrey Kessler considered the nation’s top sports litigator. He successfully argued the Alston case.

Led by Arizona State swimmer Grant House, Oregon basketball player Sedona Prince and former Illinois football player Tymir Oliver, the consolidated litigation claims the NCAA and its members have illegally conspired, until 2021, to deny both NIL opportunities and pay for college athletes appearing in televised broadcasts. NCAA rules, the players argue, have unduly interfered with the basic tenets of competition and market economies.

If successful, House would lead to an injunction that compels the NCAA to change its rules. It would also bring treble damages—a sizable dollar figure if college athletes should have been paid to be on TV in recent years and if the case is certified as a class action on behalf of tens of thousands of athletes.

Kessler addressed the recent guidance put out by the NCAA.

NCAA leaders have said they failed to anticipate such developments as NIL collectives or all-team endorsement deals, which were never intended to take hold during the interim period. But in Kessler’s mind, these ships have already found their way to open waters.

“The only basis you could have for going after that concern would be some claim that it was necessary to preserve competitive balance,” said Kessler. “But the problem in that argument is that it has already been established that there is no competitive balance in FBS football or Division I basketball. And, if there is no balance, there is no balance to preserve.”

There’s a lot of things the lawsuit attacks but one that really stood out to me is the NCAA’s prohibition about using NIL as a recruiting tool. The lawsuit wants the courts to give the NCAA double Gauldens or the Jordan Beck salute or both regarding its stance on NIL as a recruiting tool.

Kessler, says he is “happily monitoring” the situation surrounding the NCAA’s recent announcement that its Division I Board of Directors had passed specific guidelines aimed at adding enforcement teeth to its nearly year-old interim NIL policy.

“Frankly, I think a lot of this will be talk and very little action, precisely because they know what will happen,” said Kessler.

Kessler maintained that if the NCAA “posts additional restrictions regarding NIL rights,” those restrictions would be challenged under existing claims in the lawsuit. He also contended that other antitrust lawsuits brought by athletes over NIL would likely be brought into House. “We don’t need a new lawsuit,” he stressed, “we already have a lawsuit.” At the same time, Kessler noted that potential antitrust suits brought by boosters and businesses wouldn’t be part of House, which is a players’ case. He added that new cases brought against the NCAA and schools for violating state NIL statutes would have their own trajectories, as well.

The NCAA’s new guidance seems designed to mitigate the risk of litigation. Noticeably, the guideline includes a disclaimer that it “is subject to state NIL laws or executive actions with the force of law in effect.” The guidance also contends it is merely clarifying rules that are already in place, as opposed to instituting new rules.

I think House is probably the Hammer blow to the NCAA as it relates to student athletes and their financial compensation. I think that may also be why we’ve been hearing more scuttlebutt about the P-5 schools in particular taking their revenue sports programs outside of the NCAA. jmo.

Being older as I am, I really hoping I make it to see the outcome of the House case. I love a good fight and I hate, hate, hate the NCAA. jmo.
 
A head coach whose team played against the Vols last season calls them “an extremely talented and well-coached team.”

“We did everything we could do to get ready for that pace, but you really can’t duplicate it,” the coach said. “And they’re not just out there playing fast, they’re setting things up, they’re finding the matchups they want. Those (coaches) do a really good job. There’s no way it’s easy to get your kids to execute at that pace like that.”

On the other side of the ball, the Vols “have some holes,” the coach said, though Simmons is a player who he said jumps out on film and could be a real problem for teams this season if he’s in shape.

“That guy has great feet and he can run,” the coach said. “And that’s how he looks at like 350. If he gets his body slimmed down, watch out.”

“Now we know our roster, we know our deficiencies and advantages, so we’re able to attack the summer differently,” Golesh said. “We’re rocking and rolling really well, man. There’s a sense of excitement, there’s some juice.”

Said Heupel: “We want to continue to recruit the biggest, the brightest, the best. We feel like what we’re doing culturally and who we are in our footprint, we’re going to have that opportunity. At the same time, it’s about roster development and making sure those guys are playing their best football. We never put a cap on our football team a year ago, and that was big in creating buy-in. We had a chance to win just about every one of those football games in the fourth quarter.”

The Vols weren’t as active in the portal as many of their peers during this offseason, their main adds being the aforementioned McCoy from USC, Mincey from Florida and Turrentine from Ohio State. Georgia Tech safety Wesley Walker, Nebraska linebacker Jackson Hannah and UCF tight end Charlie Browder were other additions. The losses weren’t serious and appeared to be related to playing time for the most part, the exception being Evans at running back. He should be fun to watch at Louisville

Tennessee was on its way to being the only SEC program to retain all of its full-time assistants, something that hasn’t happened in Knoxville since 2014, but receivers coach Kodi Burns took the same position with the New Orleans Saints in March. Heupel promoted Kelsey Pope from offensive analyst to receivers coach shortly after Burns departed. Pope previously was pass game coordinator at Gardner-Webb and receivers coach at Tennessee Tech.

With Hooker, Tillman, Hyatt, Small and plenty of promising, young offensive skill, this team should again be a blast to watch and a bear to defend. And though the Vols have talent and playmaking ability on the defensive side of the ball, they again will probably have a tough time stopping the best teams on their schedule.

Tennessee beating Alabama or Georgia is a see-it-to-believe-it proposition these days, but the 2022 season can still be special. Florida and Kentucky in Neyland Stadium, and Pittsburgh and LSU on the road, will be the keys. Hooker taking a big step from last season would mean a performance something in the range of legendary. That could mean 10 wins, and that would only help a recruiting train that is picking up speed.
 
This might sound strange, but it just dawned on me that not everyone is a lifelong Vols fan. I kinda assumed that, as a kid, you liked them or you grew up with UT fans. I just saw someone mention they became a fan in Sept. 2019.

I grew up just across the river from Neyland. My grandma lived off Martin Mill pk, next to Fleniken elementary. Every football Saturday, we'd climb the hill behind Fleniken and watch for the fireworks after a score.

The old man, who lived on top of the hill, would always have John Ward playing. We'd build dirt jumps in the woods next to his house and ride the trails while the broadcast aired. Whenever we scored, we'd know it. The radio excitment, then hearing "Go Vols" being yelled inside & outside houses having game day bbq's up and down the street, and seeing or hearing the fireworks exploding. . . I was hooked early, as far back as I can remember.

When/why did you become a Vols fan?
I became a fan in 88-89 I was 10-11. I had learned about Tennessee being the Volunteer State and it all just clicked with me. My dad only watched stock car racing growing up, my mom didn't like sports, her church treated sports as a sin. Weird I know. I absolutely loved Andy Kelly when I fist watched him lay. The guy that made me become a fan was Aaron Hayden. He is my second all time favorite Vol behind Al Wilson.
 
They moved it anyway, but it was relevant. Not exactly detours about dog farts or favorite rappers.
Errbody always gotta bring up Cowboy and his flatulence prob when the issue of off topic comes up. Rest his Canine soul

Moral is: conversations with @Glitch can have serious, lasting, and deleterious effects

Cowgirl, Btw, is
Much more ladylike in that respect
 
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I don't know all the ins & outs, but it does seem to me like PGA's stance is as much to blame. I think some players want more control of their schedule & earnings & PGA is taking a hard line. Not knowing all the details so I may be wrong, but it also makes me think of the American Football League. Does PGA just not want any competition or is there more to it than that?
More to it than that. LIV format is a stupid abomination. Pro Golfers are rich, and this is stupid.
 
I apologize but I couldn’t resist adding my 2 cents to the NIL discussion.

First, anyone looking at O’Bannon and Alston to try to figure out the legal landscape for NIL and payment of players is potentially at least somewhat behind the curve.

The new case is HOUSE VS NCAA.

The case was filed in 2020 and amended in 2021. The NCAA unsuccessfully sought to get the case dismissed.

The case is in the Federal District Court of Northern California (Oakland).

The case is before U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken, who presided over O’Bannon and Alston, but is a long way from resolution. Judge Wilken is scheduled to hold a hearing on class certification on May 24, 2023, and a jury trial in Oakland is scheduled for Sept. 26, 2024. With potential appeals, the case could be on the docket well into the 2020s. But time hasn’t been a deterrent to those who seek NCAA reform. Both O’Bannon and Alston took more than six years, and both cases defeated the NCAA.

Co-counsel on the case is Jeffrey Kessler considered the nation’s top sports litigator. He successfully argued the Alston case.

Led by Arizona State swimmer Grant House, Oregon basketball player Sedona Prince and former Illinois football player Tymir Oliver, the consolidated litigation claims the NCAA and its members have illegally conspired, until 2021, to deny both NIL opportunities and pay for college athletes appearing in televised broadcasts. NCAA rules, the players argue, have unduly interfered with the basic tenets of competition and market economies.

If successful, House would lead to an injunction that compels the NCAA to change its rules. It would also bring treble damages—a sizable dollar figure if college athletes should have been paid to be on TV in recent years and if the case is certified as a class action on behalf of tens of thousands of athletes.

Kessler addressed the recent guidance put out by the NCAA.

NCAA leaders have said they failed to anticipate such developments as NIL collectives or all-team endorsement deals, which were never intended to take hold during the interim period. But in Kessler’s mind, these ships have already found their way to open waters.

“The only basis you could have for going after that concern would be some claim that it was necessary to preserve competitive balance,” said Kessler. “But the problem in that argument is that it has already been established that there is no competitive balance in FBS football or Division I basketball. And, if there is no balance, there is no balance to preserve.”

There’s a lot of things the lawsuit attacks but one that really stood out to me is the NCAA’s prohibition about using NIL as a recruiting tool. The lawsuit wants the courts to give the NCAA double Gauldens or the Jordan Beck salute or both regarding its stance on NIL as a recruiting tool.

Kessler, says he is “happily monitoring” the situation surrounding the NCAA’s recent announcement that its Division I Board of Directors had passed specific guidelines aimed at adding enforcement teeth to its nearly year-old interim NIL policy.

“Frankly, I think a lot of this will be talk and very little action, precisely because they know what will happen,” said Kessler.

Kessler maintained that if the NCAA “posts additional restrictions regarding NIL rights,” those restrictions would be challenged under existing claims in the lawsuit. He also contended that other antitrust lawsuits brought by athletes over NIL would likely be brought into House. “We don’t need a new lawsuit,” he stressed, “we already have a lawsuit.” At the same time, Kessler noted that potential antitrust suits brought by boosters and businesses wouldn’t be part of House, which is a players’ case. He added that new cases brought against the NCAA and schools for violating state NIL statutes would have their own trajectories, as well.

The NCAA’s new guidance seems designed to mitigate the risk of litigation. Noticeably, the guideline includes a disclaimer that it “is subject to state NIL laws or executive actions with the force of law in effect.” The guidance also contends it is merely clarifying rules that are already in place, as opposed to instituting new rules.

I think House is probably the Hammer blow to the NCAA as it relates to student athletes and their financial compensation. I think that may also be why we’ve been hearing more scuttlebutt about the P-5 schools in particular taking their revenue sports programs outside of the NCAA. jmo.

Being older as I am, I really hoping I make it to see the outcome of the House case. I love a good fight and I hate, hate, hate the NCAA. jmo.
“Behind the curve” or no, I was referencing COMPLETED rulings in response to VN Matlock. Saw yours along the way and wouldn’t have done it the justice you did, anyway.
 
Showing my ignorance on the topic, PGA tour members are only paid out of the tournament purse, right? And obviously private sponsorships, etc. But this LIV league is actually paying the tour members like a salary or contract? Is there a winning purse for their matches or is it just like exhibition?
 
Showing my ignorance on the topic, PGA tour members are only paid out of the tournament purse, right? And obviously private sponsorships, etc. But this LIV league is actually paying the tour members like a salary or contract? Is there a winning purse for their matches or is it just like exhibition?
I think they're just buying big names right now to make splash headlines and catch the attention of the younger guys on the PGA or striving to get there.

Johnson was reportedly offered a $125 million contract just to state his commitment to the new league. Norman told The Washington Post that LIV offered Tiger Woods a “mind-blowingly enormous” amount (think high nine digits) to sign on.

more:

The inaugural LIV event, held at Centurion Golf Club outside London, begins Thursday with a $25 million purse, including $4 million to the winner. The Saudi-backed venture plans for eight events this year, and will scale upward in coming years through a $2 billion pledge from Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund.

Each tournament will be a three-round, 54-hole contest with 48 players and no cuts. The events feature shotgun starts (every player starts at the same time, but at a different hole) and a team element.

Norman said LIV Golf Investments is aiming to put a total of $2 billion into the sport between 2023 and 2025, eventually increasing the number of events to 14.
 
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So most of the top guys are joining the new league besides Tiger ? He might finally start winning again then. :p

I would hardly call Dustin Johnson, Phil Mickelson, Kevin Na, Louis Oosthuizen, Sergio Garcia, Charl Schwartzel and Branden Grace "most of the top guys."

They are world ranking 15, 72, 34, 21, 57, unranked, unranked respectively in the current World Golf Rankings.

Getting DJ to sign on was a huge splash. It may move some other guys in the longterm, but they still need to get one of:
Scheffler
Rahm
Cantlay
Cam Smith
Morikawa
Justin Thomas
Hovland
Rory
Spieth
Zalatoris
Koepka

That is the new class carrying the sport right now.

I could see Bubba, Horschel, Reed or DeChambeau giving it a shot, based on personality. I haven't looked at other golfers that have played in the middle east recently, but I would guess they're getting the full court press.

If they get Tiger it changes everything, and they obviously knew that, which is why they offered Tiger a king's ransom. If Tiger takes LIV seriously then it's open season.
 
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You’re skipping enough that it has to be intentional. 😏
On August 8, 2014, Wilken ruled that the NCAA's long-held practice of barring payments to athletes violated antitrust laws.

The NCAA subsequently appealed the ruling, Arguing that Wilken did not properly consider NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma. In that case, the NCAA was denied control of college football television rights. The Supreme Court denied the NCAA's appeal.

I see you copied and pasted this from Wikipedia on O'Bannon, so I find it curious that you left out the most vital part of your argument - the one that proves you have no clue what you are talking about. It goes right between your two paragraphs...

She ordered that schools should be allowed to offer full cost-of-attendance scholarships to athletes, covering cost-of-living expenses that were not currently part of NCAA scholarships. Wilken also ruled that college be permitted to place as much as $5,000 into a trust for each athlete per year of eligibility.

So once again, as it feels like I am talking to a brick wall....
O'Bannon was a case that dealt solely with education benefits. What it meant for "full cost-of-attendance." That case does zero to address rights of publicity, NIL, etc.
 
I apologize but I couldn’t resist adding my 2 cents to the NIL discussion.

First, anyone looking at O’Bannon and Alston to try to figure out the legal landscape for NIL and payment of players is potentially at least somewhat behind the curve.

The new case is HOUSE VS NCAA.

Correct, and it will be the first case that hopefully goes to SCOTUS to address NIL. We will then see if Kavanuagh is alone in his thoughts, or if the Court agrees with him.
 
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I try to tell people this. I have always been one to shy away from pitts, but then we went to the shelter one afternoon and took Winston out for a walk to get to know him a little. He just came up and put his head in my lap with his big ole sad eyes and my heart melted. He is so gentle and easy going. Like many dogs, he doesn't like thunderstorms or fireworks but other than that he is a wonderful dog and we wouldn't trade him for anything.

We typically adopt from shelters or find dogs that have been abandoned.
We now get genetic testing out of curiosity. 5 of our last 7 dogs have a significant amount of PitBull in them.

My Chihuahua is 3% PitBull and he is a badass (at least in his mind 😂)

We love PitBull mixes. Will probably never have a purebred anything as there’s so many good dogs out there that need families and homes.
 
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