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Vols4us said:
Violation of the existing policies of the PGA and European Tours. They are to fully support the tours as members. SA with Norman fronting are trying to develop a counter tour. The pros are independent contractors, but to be members they have to comply with the policies to remain so. They feel they should be able to go where they want when they want as long as they fulfill their obligations on the other tours. They also feel those tours are not giving them a fair share of the money flowing in - that the established tours are keeping more than a fair amount. Which is weird since they are the members who vote on the policies on the existing tours.

As voting members of those existing tours they need enough other members to agree to go along with changes in that and other areas of contention. The vast majority do not agree with them in each tour. Most of the big names going LIV are on the backside of their careers and some younger have never amounted to much on the existing. They don't like playing 4 day tournaments and doing a specified numbers of pro ams against large fields of golfers since they have already competed at that level for quite awhile. The LIV is using a more fun team approach and only 3 day tourneys with much smaller fields. They make money no matter how well they play. The existing tours have the two day cuts - no making the cut, no money. The PGA Tour does not allow payment of "appearance" money for just entering a tournament. The European does, though it is controlled.

The problem is they are undercutting what gave them their opportunity and big names for a huge money grab to play lesser watched tournaments against less competition. Has a made for TV exhibition feel to it initially to me. Which is why the current elite, younger players are not biting like Rory, Justin, Jordan, Jon, etc. Nicklaus turned down the front man role and Tiger is not biting as a player or front man as well. Will see how it goes. Norman's had an axe to grind with the PGA Tour for decades.
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I hate this dumb 💩 and I wish DJ a suckass crappy rest of his pathetic from here on out career. The gimmick league format is not fun, it is stupid AF.

Pro Golf is the ultimate meritocracy...or was. I will never watch one of their stupid ass events...🤬 em.
 
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Just assuming you’re a golf fan here…what is your take on the whole thing?.I’m not a golf guy but when I hear the words “PGA” I think of the green jacket..I’ve seen so many spectacular moments on the tour watching tiger play in his prime.to me personally it kinda dishonors the tour and the former greats who sacrificed a lot to get there.
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Your assumption is correct. Most people don’t fully understand the distinction between the various acronyms in professional golf. For example, the PGA TOUR and PGA of America are 2 distinct organizations. The Masters is a fully independent organization also not directly associated with the PGA Tour, so any player who is banned by PGA Tour can still play The Masters unless that organization at some point takes a stance against LIV. The USGA also hosts the US OPEN independent of the PGA Tour along with a host of other tournaments. I think some of the concerns for how The Tour distributes money are valid, but where the money for LIV is coming from creates a real moral dilemma. I don’t think I could sleep with a good conscience taking that money.
 
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MKEvol said:
I have literally addressed both of these points. Directly to you in fact. Do you have any reading comprehension ability at all?

Re O'Bannon I said: O'Bannon held that the NCAA could not cap scholarships below the "true cost of attendance, PLUS $5k/year in a trust for those S-As. Scholarships do not equal NIL, NIL is not an educational benefit.

As for knowing the future, I have just laid out where the law currently stands, every singe time. I even said:




But you keep insinuating that YOU know how this all plays out....


Again, can you read?

In the article you sent, another attorney (Andrew Brandt) said:
In a 9–0 unanimous decision, the Supreme Court upheld the lower court’s decision that NCAA restrictions on “education-related benefits” for college athletes violated antitrust law. Justice Neil Gorsuch authored the majority opinion in favor of the plaintiffs, albeit a narrow decision dealing only with education-related benefits and not the larger issue of pay-for-play or other big-picture issues with college athletes.

So once again, the same point I have repeatedly made to you, and you do not seem to grasp is that SCOTUS has not ruled on NIL, leaving that ability for the NCAA open.

You seem to have a hard time grasping that SCOTUS has only ruled in regards to educational benefits, not NIL. And I have repeatedly said that they have not, because they have not. I asked for the case that directly dealt with NIL and you pointed me back to O'Bannon, which does not address NIL. So keep believing that you know how this all plays out, and the NCAA is toothless. Just don't be surprised when the NCAA enacts NIL regulations - I tried to warn you.
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You’re skipping enough that it has to be intentional. 😏
On August 8, 2014, Wilken ruled that the NCAA's long-held practice of barring payments to athletes violated antitrust laws.

The NCAA subsequently appealed the ruling, Arguing that Wilken did not properly consider NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma. In that case, the NCAA was denied control of college football television rights. The Supreme Court denied the NCAA's appeal.
 
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Your assumption is correct. Most people don’t fully understand the distinction between the various acronyms in professional golf. For example, the PGA TOUR and PGA of America are 2 distinct organizations. The Masters is a fully independent organization also not directly associated with the PGA Tour, so any player who is banned by PGA Tour can still play The Masters unless that organization at some point takes a stance against LIV. The USGA also hosts the US OPEN independent of the PGA Tour along with a host of other tournaments. I think some of the concerns for how The Tour distributes money are valid, but where the money for LIV is coming from creates a real moral dilemma. I don’t think I could sleep with a good conscience taking that money.
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Wow!..totally learned something new today…I appreciate that..I never noticed they were different…I just assumed the PGA was meshed together all in one because it was associated with pro golfers But I agree totally with your statement
 
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OrangeSticks said:
Your assumption is correct. Most people don’t fully understand the distinction between the various acronyms in professional golf. For example, the PGA TOUR and PGA of America are 2 distinct organizations. The Masters is a fully independent organization also not directly associated with the PGA Tour, so any player who is banned by PGA Tour can still play The Masters unless that organization at some point takes a stance against LIV. The USGA also hosts the US OPEN independent of the PGA Tour along with a host of other tournaments. I think some of the concerns for how The Tour distributes money are valid, but where the money for LIV is coming from creates a real moral dilemma. I don’t think I could sleep with a good conscience taking that money.
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Interesting
 
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MKEvol said:
I have literally addressed both of these points. Directly to you in fact. Do you have any reading comprehension ability at all?

Re O'Bannon I said: O'Bannon held that the NCAA could not cap scholarships below the "true cost of attendance, PLUS $5k/year in a trust for those S-As. Scholarships do not equal NIL, NIL is not an educational benefit.

As for knowing the future, I have just laid out where the law currently stands, every singe time. I even said:




But you keep insinuating that YOU know how this all plays out....


Again, can you read?

In the article you sent, another attorney (Andrew Brandt) said:
In a 9–0 unanimous decision, the Supreme Court upheld the lower court’s decision that NCAA restrictions on “education-related benefits” for college athletes violated antitrust law. Justice Neil Gorsuch authored the majority opinion in favor of the plaintiffs, albeit a narrow decision dealing only with education-related benefits and not the larger issue of pay-for-play or other big-picture issues with college athletes.

So once again, the same point I have repeatedly made to you, and you do not seem to grasp is that SCOTUS has not ruled on NIL, leaving that ability for the NCAA open.

You seem to have a hard time grasping that SCOTUS has only ruled in regards to educational benefits, not NIL. And I have repeatedly said that they have not, because they have not. I asked for the case that directly dealt with NIL and you pointed me back to O'Bannon, which does not address NIL. So keep believing that you know how this all plays out, and the NCAA is toothless. Just don't be surprised when the NCAA enacts NIL regulations - I tried to warn you.
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You must be new here…so I’m just gonna tell you don’t waste your time arguing with @butchna it’s a lost cause not because he’s always right but because he thinks he’s always right👀😂😂 love ya butchna🧡🤍
 
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OrangeSticks said:
Your assumption is correct. Most people don’t fully understand the distinction between the various acronyms in professional golf. For example, the PGA TOUR and PGA of America are 2 distinct organizations. The Masters is a fully independent organization also not directly associated with the PGA Tour, so any player who is banned by PGA Tour can still play The Masters unless that organization at some point takes a stance against LIV. The USGA also hosts the US OPEN independent of the PGA Tour along with a host of other tournaments. I think some of the concerns for how The Tour distributes money are valid, but where the money for LIV is coming from creates a real moral dilemma. I don’t think I could sleep with a good conscience taking that money.
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Where is the money coming from?

NVM... I see someone else said Saudi war crimes (not sure if accurate but assume you're referencing something like that).
 
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SpringBokVol said:
Even better as a GIF:

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This is my new favorite GIF. So freaking awesome.
 
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