Gun control debate (merged)

[Vol Main]

So it’s about homicide? So why do you want to talk about suicide rather than homicide?

The kids didn’t kill themselves

Now you are just bull hocking.

 

[Vol Main]

Why would we want to ban assault rifles and handguns given there's no correlation between gun ownership and homicide?

Cough, because there is a correlation between gun ownership and gun deaths. That 18 year old who just murdered 21 people at an elementary school used a high capacity, high powered semi-automatic rifle.

 

[Vol8188]

I created the original post, and I just answered that question. If you do not like my purpose for creating the post, I think it is because you do not like my answer to your question. Blowing up this discussion into a cloud of facts about tangential issues does not change the facts I've stated or the purpose I stated them.

So you created the thread because of suicide? Or because homicide?

Are you worried that with an assault rifle people can kill themselves multiple times because of the magazines?

Or can you admit this is about homicide

 

[OrangeTsar]

This is Murica darn it!
Leave our guns alone

 

[Weezer]

I created the original post, and I just answered that question. If you do not like my purpose for creating the post, I think it is because you do not like my answer to your question. Blowing up this discussion into a cloud of facts about tangential issues does not change the facts I've stated or the purpose I stated them.

What proof do you have that taking away guns will cause homicide rates to drop? Sure, gun deaths may go down, but what's the point if people just opt to kill in a different fashion? Isn't the goal to lower the actual homicide rate? As has been stated, your stats do not support that the homicide rate will drop.

You're still ignoring the fact that it's not the guns. The problem is the people who decide to kill others.

 

[Weezer]

I honestly don't understand this argument of "well, gun deaths will go down". Okay, that doesn't correlate to deaths going down. So you theoretically make a crazy MF change the method he uses to kill people, he/she is still killing people. Do you just keep banning anything and everything that can be used as a weapon? Banning guns, any type of guns, is not solving the problem. Not in the slightest.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Cough, because there is a correlation between gun ownership and gun deaths. That 18 year old who just murdered 21 people at an elementary school used a high capacity, high powered semi-automatic rifle.

There is correlation among death and and everything.

 

[DC_Vol]

What proof do you have that taking away guns will cause homicide rates to drop? Sure, gun deaths may go down, but what's the point if people just opt to kill in a different fashion? Isn't the goal to lower the actual homicide rate? As has been stated, your stats do not support that the homicide rate will drop.

You're still ignoring the fact that it's not the guns. The problem is the people who decide to kill others.

More than half of all deaths classified as gun deaths are suicide.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

The truth uis the truth, no matter who utters it.
Jacob Ware: School shooting in Uvalde, Texas, is fodder for China and Russia (nbcnews.com)

 

[Vol8188]

Cough, because there is a correlation between gun ownership and gun deaths. That 18 year old who just murdered 21 people at an elementary school used a high capacity, high powered semi-automatic rifle.

Sure. That’s called homicide. So why are you including suicide data? Isn’t the goal of banning assault rifles to limit homicide?

 

[Vol Main]

Sure. That’s called homicide. So why are you including suicide data? Isn’t the goal of banning assault rifles to limit homicide?

Blah, blah, blah

 

[Vol8188]

Blah, blah, blah

That’s a real compelling argument. I’m convinced. We should clearly ban high capacity rifles so the suicidal don’t get to shoot themselves 30 times.

 

[Vol Main]

That’s a real compelling argument. I’m convinced. We should clearly ban high capacity rifles so the suicidal don’t get to shoot themselves 30 times.

You could change your screenname to BlahBlahBlah.

 

[Caculator]

Muskavelli

@Muskavelli
As Biden visits Robb Elementary School to push gun control why don't we just apply the same laws he pushed for mail in voting, since it's so secure and the best way? No ID No signature No vetting of voter information And if you disagree you're a racist transphobe Done!
2:20 PM · May 29, 2022

 

[sonofUT62]

You could change your screenname to BlahBlahBlah.

And you should change yours to PearlClutcher

 

[sonofUT62]

That’s a real compelling argument. I’m convinced. We should clearly ban high capacity rifles so the suicidal don’t get to shoot themselves 30 times.

That will only cut down on Clinton-cides since those are the only multiple gunshot suicides.

 

[Vol8188]

You could change your screenname to BlahBlahBlah.

Solid retort. I too remember middle school

 

[GroverCleveland]

This thread is not about arsenic and old lace. It was prompted from another school shooting by an eighteen year old former student who bought two AR-15 style rifles the day after he turned eighteen and a few days later murdered 21 people in an elementary school.

He committed homocide. He did not walk in and provide a pistol to nineteen kids and two teachers who decided they wanted to commit suicide.

I don’t know about Wyoming, but Alaska leads the country in depression and domestic abuse. it is believed to be directly related to long nights and periods of being shut-in (Hello? Calling Dr. Fauci and his merry band of government control freaks).

 

[615vols]

You could change your screenname to BlahBlahBlah.

He’s right though, and you are clearly avoiding the point he’s making. Pretty obvious why..

 

[VolStrom]

When can I stop taking my shoes off at the airport?

Sign up for TSA Precheck. After you pass a background check, you don't have to take off your shoe(s).

 

[Vol8188]

He committed homocide. He did not walk in and provide a pistol to nineteen kids and two teachers who decided they wanted to commit suicide.

I don’t know about Wyoming, but Alaska leads the country in depression and domestic abuse. it is believed to be directly related to long nights and periods of being shut-in (Hello? Calling Dr. Fauci and his merry band of government control freaks).

Yep. Seasonal depression is real and they live in the depressed season about 8 months a year

 

[1vol8]

No, you miss the point, which you should realize without assistance. The problem is a combining of certain types of people with certain types of guns. The reality is that so long as high capacity, high powered rifles are available to the general public, they will be purchased and used by numbers of bad minded individuals to commit mass murders.

What you’re failing to realize is for every “bad minded” individual that passes a background check and walks out with said AR15, 100 other good minded individuals did the same. Here’s the real problem. “Bad minded” individuals leave the house with AR15 in hand because they know what they’re about to do where good minded individuals leave theirs at home where it belongs. So the best we can hope for is a handgun vs an AR when they clash and even that’s a slim chance that a CCW holder will be present at the scene.

 

[MG1968]

Cough, because there is a correlation between gun ownership and gun deaths. That 18 year old who just murdered 21 people at an elementary school used a high capacity, high powered semi-automatic rifle.

He could just as easily have done it with 2 ruger Mark VIIs.

You’re too focused on the scary, black “assault” rifle and not focused enough on anything else.

 

[GroverCleveland]

That gun buying license doesnt help his situation. Or 90% of these shooters incidents. You already have to pass a back ground check.

All you are doing is making it more difficult for the normal, law abiding, citizen.

Yeah, and as I referenced, many who commit these crimes did not purchase the gun to begin with; someone else did.

I don't know the answer. But would you agree this kid should not have been able to purchase a centerfire semi-auto rifle? Of course does it make a real difference if he used a lever action or .22 magnum?

 

[Vol Main]

He could just as easily have done it with 2 ruger Mark VIIs.

You’re too focused on the scary, black “assault” rifle and not focused enough on anything else.

(Mark VII?) I get what you're saying, but you are ignoring the fact that police entered and withdrew when they took fire from a semi-automatic high-powered rifle, and they remained withdrawn. I don't think they would have withdrawn and waited if the shooter were using a couple of .22s which do not penetrate body armor, unlike the rifle he was using.