Gun control debate (merged)

[luthervol]

Annnnnd here we go. Again.

What? I never waivered from that position. I've been consistent.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I just support having rational and reasonable laws and regulations in place that make it harder for "legally" purchased guns to illegally make their way into the hands of criminals, and place limits on the destructive capabilities.

A) those laws and regulations are already in place
B) what exactly are you proposing that would keep a criminal from obtaining a firearm?
C) what do you mean by "destructive capabilities?" Specifically. Limit to a certain caliber? Outlaw hollow points? As I've already explained, hunting rifles, large caliber handguns, and shotguns are far more "destructive" than an AR15.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Here are a few ideas that could actually work:

Get fathers back into the households of these hardest hit areas.

Stop preaching woke culture and CRT and reinstall Biblical morality to the instruction of our youth.

Stop confusing preadolescents with gender dysphoria BS

Actually make a concerted effort to address mental health

Actively campaign to dissuade people from spending their entire lives on social media, known to increase risks for depression, isolation, and anxiety.

Make schools hard targets, with locked doors and an armed officer at each. From what I understand, this instance had neither.

 

[OrangeTsar]

using this logic the 1A only applies to yelling in the town square and pamphlets - all electronic forms of communication don't count since they weren't being used then.

We will be there to consfisgate Ktown-Vol’s phone within the hour. The founders clearly didn’t anticipate that when drafting the first amendment

 

[OrangeTsar]

You will always find the highest rates where you find the highest concentration of economically and socially disadvantaged.
There is no other variable that even comes close. I've said that all along.

Then let’s pass a law banning poverty.
There, now wasn’t that simple?

 

[AshG]

Here are a few ideas that could actually work:

Get fathers back into the households of these hardest hit areas.

How? Using what method, specifically?

Stop preaching woke culture and CRT and reinstall Biblical morality to the instruction of our youth.

Which denomination or sect of Christianity will provide the lens of clarity for said Biblical morality?

Actually make a concerted effort to address mental health

Yes, yes, yes, yes. We've got to destigmatize seeking help, and make it easier and more affordable to obtain help.

Actively campaign to dissuade people from spending their entire lives on social media, known to increase risks for depression, isolation, and anxiety.

Also multiple yeses to this.

Make schools hard targets, with locked doors and an armed officer at each. From what I understand, this instance had neither.

This is what blows my mind. Even the rural Mississippi and West Virginia schools I've visited had these in place. I'd love to hear what their school board and Central office staff have to say about this oversight.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Whoever said I had a problem with relatively-affluent white (not sure why you felt adding white as a qualifier was necessary) males buying guns?
I don't care if you gun lovers have 50....it's kind of amusing.
I just support having rational and reasonable laws and regulations in place that make it harder for "legally" purchased guns to illegally make their way into the hands of criminals, and place limits on the destructive capabilities.

Specifics please. Specifics or you are just wasting your own and everyone else‘s time.
I would like a law that makes everyone be good and tells them to not do bad things. Let’s pass that Just as i quoted it there. That’s how vague and pointless your suggestion is.

 

[GroverCleveland]

You will always find the highest rates where you find the highest concentration of economically and socially disadvantaged.
There is no other variable that even comes close. I've said that all along.

It seemed you actually have been arguing ownership level is the prime variable. BTW, for some reason my question back to you did not pick up your response on 30 rnds/minute. I had asked about a gun able to do 15 rounds per minute on target at 300 yards: should it be banned?

You were not really clear about the 30 round/minute gun. You responded somewhat nebulously that was around the limit you had in mind for a ban, so which is it ban or no ban? If not banning that gun, no need to answer the 15 round question, but perhaps you could define where that limit is?

 

[kiddiedoc]

It seemed you actually have been arguing ownership level is the prime variable. BTW, for some reason my question back to you did not pick up your response on 30 rods/minute. I had asked about a gun able to do 15 rounds per minute on target at 300 yards: should it be banned?

You were not really clear about the 30 round/minute gun. You responded somewhat nebulously that was around the limit you had in mind for a ban, so which is it ban or no ban? If not banning that gun, no need to answer the 15 round question, but perhaps you could define where that limit is?

I wonder if Luth has ever seen videos of shooters knocking down targets in less than 1 second per shot with revolvers and speedloaders.

 

[OrangeTsar]

It seemed you actually have been arguing ownership level is the prime variable. BTW, for some reason my question back to you did not pick up your response on 30 rods/minute. I had asked about a gun able to do 15 rounds per minute on target at 300 yards: should it be banned?

You were not really clear about the 30 round/minute gun. You responded somewhat nebulously that was around the limit you had in mind for a ban, so which is it ban or no ban? If not banning that gun, no need to answer the 15 round question, but perhaps you could define where that limit is?

Don’t expect definions from supporters of the Party That give us the President who famously asked what the definition of „is“ is or Who gave us a Supreme Court Justice who couldn’t define what a woman is. Definitions are anathema to the left because they put boundaries and limits on a process. The left wants limitless authority. The will shy away from anything resembling a limit.

 

[LouderVol]

Whoever said I had a problem with relatively-affluent white (not sure why you felt adding white as a qualifier was necessary) males buying guns?
I don't care if you gun lovers have 50....it's kind of amusing.
I just support having rational and reasonable laws and regulations in place that make it harder for "legally" purchased guns to illegally make their way into the hands of criminals, and place limits on the destructive capabilities.

And you have yet to identify how guns are more destructive today than they were 40/60/80 years ago. Or how they are more available.

 

[LouderVol]

Here are a few ideas that could actually work:

Get fathers back into the households of these hardest hit areas.

Stop preaching woke culture and CRT and reinstall Biblical morality to the instruction of our youth.

Stop confusing preadolescents with gender dysphoria BS

Actually make a concerted effort to address mental health

Actively campaign to dissuade people from spending their entire lives on social media, known to increase risks for depression, isolation, and anxiety.

Make schools hard targets, with locked doors and an armed officer at each. From what I understand, this instance had neither.

Just for the sake of argument I would drop the bible aspect. And yeah I find it ridiculous that these schools dont even lock their doors. At my school you could only get in the front doors without an alarm going off thru a locked door.

 

[Rickyvol77]

And you have yet to identify how guns are more destructive today than they were 40/60/80 years ago. Or how they are more available.

They aren’t. He just “feelz” it’s so

 

[GroverCleveland]

Don’t expect definions from supporters of the Party That give us the President who famously asked what the definition of „is“ is or Who gave us a Supreme Court Justice who couldn’t define what a woman is. Definitions are anathema to the left because they put boundaries and limits on a process. The left wants limitless authority. The will shy away from anything resembling a limit.

Trying to give him a sporting chance.

 

[Redleg68]

How? Using what method, specifically?



Which denomination or sect of Christianity will provide the lens of clarity for said Biblical morality?



Yes, yes, yes, yes. We've got to destigmatize seeking help, and make it easier and more affordable to obtain help.



Also multiple yeses to this.



This is what blows my mind. Even the rural Mississippi and West Virginia schools I've visited had these in place. I'd love to hear what their school board and Central office staff have to say about this oversight.

Agree--stop focusing on the how and focus on the why!

 

[615vols]

It’s insane how many idiots I keep hearing talk about how “no one needs semi automatic rifles” or calling an AR a “weapon of war”. You can tell that they are so uninformed and ignorant that they think semi auto means someone can just hold the trigger down and spray. They are 100% clueless on the subject.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Trying to give him a sporting chance.

That it is very noble of you

 

[luthervol]

It seemed you actually have been arguing ownership level is the prime variable. BTW, for some reason my question back to you did not pick up your response on 30 rnds/minute. I had asked about a gun able to do 15 rounds per minute on target at 300 yards: should it be banned?

You were not really clear about the 30 round/minute gun. You responded somewhat nebulously that was around the limit you had in mind for a ban, so which is it ban or no ban? If not banning that gun, no need to answer the 15 round question, but perhaps you could define where that limit is?

I'm in no position to set that limit. I wear my ignorance of guns as a badge of honor.

 

[hog88]

I'm in no position to set that limit. I wear my ignorance of guns as a badge of honor.

H-O-L-Y C-H-I-T Luther told the truth for once.

 

[luthervol]

And you have yet to identify how guns are more destructive today than they were 40/60/80 years ago. Or how they are more available.

They are more available because there are 400 million in circulation and 20 million more are added each year.
Maybe they aren't more destructive and guns are the one thing where the design doesn't improve over time.

 

[luthervol]

H-O-L-Y C-H-I-T Luther told the truth for once.

I'm always truthful.

 

[TVOLS]

Let them ban all black modern sporting rifles. The gun they have to use to put an image to evil. They don't know how to explain it any other way and it's the simplest. Once this is done and all black modern sporting rifles are gone from the United States. Then they will see even more carnage from a weapon more lethal in these public places these wackos are shooting up. A .12-gauge shotgun with 00 buck, are they going to ban shotguns to when that happens?

 

[Vol8188]

Are you trying to prove my point?
Of course there is a correlation, and a pretty strong one to boot.

There’s no correlation and you know that. Two of the top ten states in terms of least gun are top ten in homicide. Only one of the top states in terms of gun ownership was even in the top 25 in homicide

 

[Vol8188]

Good work. If you could link the two sources you used it would be even better. So is it your conclusion that there is no correlation between gun ownership and homicide rates?

The sources are the two previously linked. Rand and the same website I’ve linked 3 times.

It’s not just my conclusion. It’s clearly what the data shows. That’s why you had nothing resembling a line on the graph

 

[Vol Main]

Read what you just posted right here and juxtapose that to what is developing and emerging about the police response in Texas.

I'm still waiting for the facts to be sorted, but there are reports that people outside the school urged the police to go into the school, instead of standing around for an hour. My point is, and I don't care who you are, that police armed with a handgun are seriously disadvantaged when confronting a shooter armed with an AR-15, and they know that. It appears that the law enforcement officers waited for SWAT to do it. The situation needs to be reversed. Stop selling those weapons to the general public and do arm school guards with something more effective than a handgun.