Gun control debate (merged)

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Vol8188 said:
I literally took the time to make you a scatterplot of all 50 states with the x being your gun numbers from Rand and the Y being homicide rates. I ranked all 50 from 1-50 in both categories. This scatterplot with NO CORRELATION is the result.

How can you state something that is obviously, 100% made up?


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Good work. If you could link the two sources you used it would be even better. So is it your conclusion that there is no correlation between gun ownership and homicide rates?
 
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luthervol said:
Interesting
States with the most gun violence share one trait - CNNPolitics
There are indeed a horrific number of gun deaths in Chicago each year. CNN has covered the problem.
But there are more gun deaths in Texas, by far, than in any other state, according to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Texas suffered 4,164 gun deaths in 2020, the most recent year for which the CDC has published data.
That's a rate of 14.2 deaths per 100,000 Texans.
California, by comparison, saw 3,449 deaths, a gun death rate of 8.5.
Texas does not have the highest gun death rate, however. Far from it.
The top states by gun death rates are:
  • Mississippi -- 28.6.
  • Louisiana -- 26.3.
  • Wyoming -- 25.9.
  • Missouri -- 23.9.
  • Alabama -- 23.6.
  • Alaska -- 23.5.
Are they all red states?
Do they all have lax gun laws?
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Are you sure you are looking at this at the appropriate level?

My gut instinct here is sparsely populated states with specific, higher population areas with a high crime rate:

- Jackson, MS
- New Orleans, Baton Rouge, LA
- St. Louis, Kansas City, MO
- Birmingham, AL
- Anchorage, AK
 
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DC_Vol said:
Are you sure you are looking at this at the appropriate level?

My gut instinct here is sparsely populated states with specific, higher population areas with a high crime rate:

- Jackson, MS
- New Orleans, Baton Rouge, LA
- St. Louis, Kansas City, MO
- Birmingham, AL
- Anchorage, AK
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You will always find the highest rates where you find the highest concentration of economically and socially disadvantaged.
There is no other variable that even comes close. I've said that all along.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Source and Use Of Firearms

Here Are 8 Stubborn Facts on Gun Violence in America
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  • The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports prove that the overwhelming majority of gun-related homicides are perpetrated with handguns, with rifles of any kind accounting for less than 3 percent of gun-related homicides. In 2013, 5,782 murders were committed by killers who used a handgun, compared to 285 committed by killers who used a rifle. The same holds true for 2012 (6,404 to 298); 2011 (6,251 to 332); 2010 (6,115 to 367); and 2009 (6,501 to 351).
  • More people are stabbed to death every year than are murdered with rifles.
  • A person is more likely to be bludgeoned to death with a blunt object or beaten to death with hands and feet than to be murdered with a rifle.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
So why do you have such a problem with relatively-affluent white males buying guns?
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Whoever said I had a problem with relatively-affluent white (not sure why you felt adding white as a qualifier was necessary) males buying guns?
I don't care if you gun lovers have 50....it's kind of amusing.
I just support having rational and reasonable laws and regulations in place that make it harder for "legally" purchased guns to illegally make their way into the hands of criminals, and place limits on the destructive capabilities.
 
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luthervol said:
Whoever said I had a problem with relatively-affluent white (not sure why you felt adding white as a qualifier was necessary) males buying guns?
I don't care if you gun lovers have 50....it's kind of amusing.
I just support having rational and reasonable laws and regulations in place that make it harder for "legally" purchased guns to illegally make their way into the hands of criminals, and place limits on the destructive capabilities.
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Annnnnd here we go. Again.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Good job by her.
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This is what they are going to stop by removing or reducing civilian gun ownership. The bad guys are going to get their guns or weapons. People just wont be able to respond at all. They want people dependent on something else. Cant have people standing up for themselves.
 
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