Gun control debate (merged)

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ButchPlz said:
They've actually provably become less attainable over the last 40 years.
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I really want to know how they have become more deadly.

I really want to see them argue how a failure button or changing the charging handle made modern ARs more deadly.

High capacity mags have existed and been commercially available for forever, almost 100 years.

5.56 has existed and been commercially available for at least 60 years.

Pistol grips have existed on non pistols since idk even when, at least since the Tommy gun in 20s. Same with foregrips.

Military style weapons have always been available, and in the past actual military weapons were available until the 84 laws.

But thank god we banned silencers and braces. That was at least 50,000 lives saved a year.
 
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C-south said:
Raise the age, background checks, mandatory mental health screenings, and an IQ test.
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Limit how many elections you get to vote in, which elections you get to vote in in your own locale, wait period, no felonies in your past, you have to have a permit to actually go vote.
 
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LouderVol said:
I really want to know how they have become more deadly.

I really want to see them argue how a failure button or changing the charging handle made modern ARs more deadly.

High capacity mags have existed and been commercially available for forever, almost 100 years.

5.56 has existed and been commercially available for at least 60 years.

Pistol grips have existed on non pistols since idk even when, at least since the Tommy gun in 20s. Same with foregrips.

Military style weapons have always been available, and in the past actual military weapons were available until the 84 laws.

But thank god we banned silencers and braces. That was at least 50,000 lives saved a year.
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They just use talking points they hear on TV. That's all, no logic, no truth, no facts and they don't care because they wallow in their ignorance like it's a security blanket.
 
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LouderVol said:
I really want to know how they have become more deadly.

I really want to see them argue how a failure button or changing the charging handle made modern ARs more deadly.

High capacity mags have existed and been commercially available for forever, almost 100 years.

5.56 has existed and been commercially available for at least 60 years.

Pistol grips have existed on non pistols since idk even when, at least since the Tommy gun in 20s. Same with foregrips.

Military style weapons have always been available, and in the past actual military weapons were available until the 84 laws.

But thank god we banned silencers and braces. That was at least 50,000 lives saved a year.
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They weren’t banned you just have to pay a tax now. Taxes are libs universal “remedy”.
 
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LouderVol said:
Limit how many elections you get to vote in, which elections you get to vote in in your own locale, wait period, no felonies in your past, you have to have a permit to actually go vote.
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If you move from one state to another you can’t vote in local or state elections for 3 years.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Interesting. Let's compare in order the states with the lowest rate of gun ownership to homicide rates.

1. Hawaii 35th in homicide
2. NJ 30th in homicide
3. Mass 41st in homicide
4. RI 49th in homicide
5. NY 34th in homicide
6. Connecticut 37th in homicide
7. Maryland 3rd in homicide
8. Illinois 10th in homicide.

It's almost as if once again, there's no correlation.

HawaiNJRINYConneticutMarylandIllinois
Wyoming Murder/Homicide Rate 1979-2018

Edit: Accidently skipped Massachusetts
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Are you trying to prove my point?
Of course there is a correlation, and a pretty strong one to boot.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Abortion = right (despite never being mentioned and murder being morally wrong on all counts)

Firearms = not a right (despite the words "shall not be infringed" explicitly written)

We've got a culture problem, not a gun problem. And some cultures are much worse about it than others.
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Both are rights.

Morally wrong, by what standard?
 
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evillawyer said:
Can't it be both.
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Since you actually asked a logical question instead of your normal post the big font headlines I’ll try to answer … yes it can be both simply because the firearm is a tool, an object used by the operator ( the same as any tool ) . If we want to stop people from cutting down trees on a national forest you don’t restrict the sale or use of chainsaws all over the country . You start at the root of the problem , the ones operating the saws that cut the trees . I’ll use a lutherism here , the “ reasonable and rational “ approach to find the solution to any problem is to search out the root cause and fix it . If anyone here has ever worked at a company like Caterpillar, you already know what this is because it’s been drilled into your head as a way to find the root cause of a problem .

Cause and Effect Analysis: Identifying the Likely Causes of Problems

The fish bone diagram never lies and you can’t hide facts from it . I’ve spent way too many hours of my life in front of this stupid thing and then reporting up the chain of our findings . Feel free to enter the data and work out what the root cause is . Lol
 
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Vol Main said:
Banning Assault Rifles


Herschel Walker just gave a rambling speech, with a line about "taking your rights away." I always supported Second Amendment, and I still do. I know all of the arguments for it, and I've made them in the past. I still think everything I said was reasonable and right, except for one thing. When it got a lot of children killed, it stopped being right.

So don't talk to me about taking away your rights or "the security of a free state." High capacity, semi-automatic, high powered rifles on the market do not make us more secure. Obviously, they make us less secure. If you do not believe me, ask parents of those dead children. Ask the children who survived. Ask any sensible person. Do I think police should knock on your door and take away your rifle? No, and I want to quash talk of any proposed legislation to that effect, as quickly as possible. I believe that owning high capacity magazines, i.e. over seventeen, should be illegal. But I do not think that possession of the rifles themselves should become a crime. We need to stop people who want to commit mass murder from walking out of a gun store with one of those guns, and the only way to do that is to ban their manufacture and sale. That is what I support doing.

Look-it, I've owned a few semi-automatic long guns. I enjoyed shooting them and learning about them. I used to carry an M-16 rifle as a soldier and thought I had the right to own a high powered, semi-auto rifle if I wanted as a civilian. No, I don't. I have no right to weapons of war when they are the guns of choice to commit mass murders one after the other. Will the murders continue after people are no longer able to walk out of guns stores with assault rifles? Yes, but the murders will not be nearly as bad, and police will be able to respond more quickly and effectively.

I want gun owners to understand that banning the sale of assault rifles is not the end of their gun rights, not the end of our country, and not the end of the world. I imposed a self-ban, and I'm doing just fine. I do not need one, and neither do you. I do not want one, and I don't think you should.
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Ever shall there be those who insist on not understanding common sense, or sense in any of its incarnations.
 
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Found this a while back on Facebook, I think.

Bang! Bang! Bang!

I have a gun, you have a gun, kids too, darn nigh everybody got one.
A toddler found one carelessly placed on a coffee table;
BANG! Poor child ended up shooting himself in the navel.
Get a firearm and the blessing of a gun rights Republican.
So it's bang, bang, bang!

Go shopping, movie-watching, jogging, walking or just sitting and talking;
No matter where you go, doesn't matter what you do, doesn't matter who;
BANG! BANG! Some gun-totting jerk shows up to send a bullet hunting you.
Serious efforts to limit killers' gun access leads to further balking.
So it's bang, bang, bang!

Whether a Glock, a 38, a 357, or a Colt AR-15;
Doesn't matter what gun fires the thing, a bullet is a bullet still.
The caliber is of no consequence, all can wound, maim or kill.
So the shootings keep going on and on, with virtually no end seen.
So it's bang, bang, bang!

Some states now say you don't need a license to pack your heat.
Open-carry, conceal-carry, you decide it's your choice.
Dead kids and other innocents didn't and won't have a voice.
So daily now reports of new shootings and new dead meat.
So it's bang, bang, bang!

You don't have to be in a criminal gang to shoot or get shot.
Just be black and male during a traffic stop;
To be murdered for a trivial cause by a cop.
Oh man, You can even get gunned down in a Walmart parking lot.
So it's bang, bang, bang!

Momma driving leisurely down the freeway;
A punk-loaded car cuts her off at 8:35 in the morn.
Thugs in the car go postal when she honks the horn;
Unload a hail of slugs and kills her baby.
So it's bang, bang, bang!

You're enjoying the day at home;
With family, friends or alone.
You know, just chilling, being mellow.
Somebody fires at you through the window.
So it's bang, bang, bang!

I have a gun, you have a gun, darn nigh everybody got one.
BANG!
 
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C-south said:
Where does the constitution state abortion is a right?
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You see? Absolute dreamworld.

I have been thinking about how these people live in an alternate reality the last couple of days. It's this actual mental deficiency, or insanity, or whatever you want to call it that's led leftists to not once but twice approach my wife in public while I have been with her to remind her about how much privilege I have and that she ought to be careful.

Like hog said, they live on talking points. These leftist racists did it purely based on skin tone and because the TV and Twitter told them to, despite the fact that I grew up firmly middle class and my wife comes from a family that founded one of Peru's biggest petroleum transporters and two of Lima's largest luxury apartment developers, her dad is a retired multi-millionaire with his name on a sports club, and the houses people in her family own are routinely used in Peruvian TV and movies.
 
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ButchPlz said:
You see? Absolute dreamworld.

I have been thinking about how these people live in an alternate reality the last couple of days. It's this actual mental deficiency, or insanity, or whatever you want to call it that's led leftists to not once but twice approach my wife in public while I have been with her to remind her about how much privilege I have and that she ought to be careful.

Like hog said, they live on talking points. These leftist racists did it purely based on skin tone and because the TV and Twitter told them to, despite the fact that I grew up firmly middle class and my wife comes from a family that founded one of Peru's biggest petroleum transporters and two of Lima's largest luxury apartment developers, her dad is a retired multi-millionaire with his name on a sports club, and the houses people in her family own are routinely used in Peruvian TV and movies.
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Ummm she got a sister?

Asking for a friend of course...
 
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