War in Ukraine

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KnoxLandcruiser said:
What's the purpose of using number 3 in place of Z?
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It’s the Cyrillic alphabet. The character ‘З’ is pronounced like our ’z’.

Some other interesting things:

What looks like a ‘p’ is pronounced like our ‘r’
What looks like an ‘H’ is pronounced like our ‘n’
What looks like a ‘B’ is pronounced like our ‘v’
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Russia isn't giving up the eastern and southern area. Ukraine had the opportunity to negotiate a settlement with the Minsk II ceasefire agreements and still maintain their country. But instead, NATO put a battery in their backs and assured them that NATO was behind them and would support them if Russia did anything. NATO had no serious intentions as of now to do nothing more than just flood the area with weapons and empty their old stockpiles. They don't have the stomach, for now at least, to put a significant number of NATO boots on the ground outside of military advisors.
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Sooooo. It's not about the Nazi's and was really all about a land grab to begin with?
 
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Putin's TV appearances were 'staged' last week to mask his absence from duties amid growing rumours of health problems - while a hardline ally 'holds the Kremlin reins', opposition source claims

Public appearances by Vladimir Putin were 'staged' last week to mask an absence from duties, raising new speculation about his health, an opposition source claimed.

Old footage was used in video appearances for several meetings, it was alleged.

Trusted aide Nikolai Patrushev - a former FSB chief - is now in virtual control of the Kremlin, and is the recipient of top level briefings that would normally go direct to Putin, claimed General SVR Telegram channel.

The same outlet has previously asserted that Putin has been ordered by doctors to undergo surgery related to a cancer condition, and had predicted his temporary disappearance despite the war in Ukraine.

Putin's TV appearances were 'staged' last week to mask his absence from duties | Daily Mail Online
 
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Septic said:
Sooooo. It's not about the Nazi's and was really all about a land grab to begin with?
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If there was an overwhelming desire to grab Donbas and the Black Sea coast, then Putin would have grabbed it back in 2014 when those areas had referendums declaring their independence and desire to join Russia. But instead, his hope was that a diplomatic solution could have been achieved through the Minsk ceasefire agreements.

2014 Donbas status referendums - Wikipedia
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If there was an overwhelming desire to grab Donbas and the Black Sea coast, then Putin would have grabbed it back in 2014 when those areas had referendums declaring their independence and desire to join Russia. But instead, his hope was that a diplomatic solution could have been achieved through the Minsk ceasefire agreements.

2014 Donbas status referendums - Wikipedia
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So how does stealing this land help de nazify Ukraine?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If there was an overwhelming desire to grab Donbas and the Black Sea coast, then Putin would have grabbed it back in 2014 when those areas had referendums declaring their independence and desire to join Russia. But instead, his hope was that a diplomatic solution could have been achieved through the Minsk ceasefire agreements.

2014 Donbas status referendums - Wikipedia
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From you own damn link Moe! The referendum is illegitimate and not per the Ukraine constitution!

According to article 73 of the 1996 Constitution of Ukraine, and article 3 of the 2012 law on referendums, territorial changes can only be approved via a referendum if all citizens of Ukraine are allowed to vote, including those that do not reside in the area.[23][24]

During the referendum in Crimea, the Central Election Commission of Ukraine also stated that there was no possibility for regional authorities to initiate such a referendum, according to Ukrainian legislation.[25]
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The US has acted like the biggest thugs on the planet over the last 2-3 decades. We don't have clean laundry by any stretch.

And at some point, reality has to set in. The more the US and NATO feeds weapons into Ukraine, the more it will prolong the inevitable. Meanwhile, not only will more Ukrainians possibly die, but you also run the risk of one mistake or false flag nudging us towards a nuclear exchange. Ukraine will not win this conflict. You know this. NATO knows this. So why prolong this any further? Allow 3elensky to go to the negotiating table and hammer out an honest deal.
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Actually I don't know that Ukraine won't win; the way things have gone are somewhat surprising. But really, if you look back and think about it, maybe it's not that surprising. We didn't win in Vietnam - we won battles, but we didn't wrap it up with something like half a million troops. We didn't win in Afghanistan - we won battles, but the result was like pulling your hand out of a bucket of water. It's hard to say the second trip to Iraq was a winner either.

I agree with you that we keep diddling in places we don't belong, but for a different reason than you. We've been backing people who don't have the real will to fight for themselves, and that makes Ukraine different. They are fighting to win and to keep their country; that's pretty noble and remarkable these days. Unlike you, I don't hold it against the country that we've meddled where we shouldn't; I blame our "leaders" for blundering to appear strong. Unfortunately we keep electing the same people and expecting something different.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You are thinking backwards. There would be no need to "steal" the land had those NAZIs and the Ukrainian govt not been attacking the Donbas for 8 years.
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You are out of your mind again. There would have been no need for Ukraine to attack Russian backed separatists had Pootin not violated the 1994 Budapest Agreement and invaded Crimea and Donbas.
 
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AM64 said:
I agree with you that we keep diddling in places we don't belong, but for a different reason than you. We've been backing people who don't have the real will to fight for themselves, and that makes Ukraine different. They are fighting to win and to keep their country; that's pretty noble and remarkable these days. Unlike you, I don't hold it against the country that we've meddled where we shouldn't; I blame our "leaders" for blundering to appear strong. Unfortunately we keep electing the same people and expecting something different.
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Now I'm curious about what you are talking about here. Outside of me blaming a corrupt govt in Kiev that the Obama State Department established in 2014, I'm not sure I understand where you are going with that. Also, I'm not blaming the people of Ukraine or I don't think I've blamed the people of any other country that we have meddled with that I know of. If you can find that example, I would be interested to see that because I may want to clarify that, if possible.
 
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AM64 said:
That still goes back to why should Ukraine negotiate away territory that belongs to Ukraine?
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They had every opportunity to maintain their country had they simply followed the Minsk II ceasefire agreement. Now that the conflict is in full gear, they have to settle for the best deal they can get. That is the gamble that the Kiev regime made based on NATO pimping them up and leading them to believe that NATO was going to support them 1000%.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They had every opportunity to maintain their country had they simply followed the Minsk II ceasefire agreement. Now that the conflict is in full gear, they have to settle for the best deal they can get. That is the gamble that the Kiev regime made based on NATO pimping them up and leading them to believe that NATO was going to support them 1000%.
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No they didn’t you disingenuous sycophant because Minsk II only exists because your asshat hero tore up the actual agreement and seized land by invading Ukraine.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Now I'm curious about what you are talking about here. Outside of me blaming a corrupt govt in Kiev that the Obama State Department established in 2014, I'm not sure I understand where you are going with that. Also, I'm not blaming the people of Ukraine or I don't think I've blamed the people of any other country that we have meddled with that I know of. If you can find that example, I would be interested to see that because I may want to clarify that, if possible.
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No, you aren't blaming other countries; you are blaming the US ... like we have some united will to go play in other country's affairs. I agree with you that we've often been messing where we shouldn't have been messing. I just disagree that it's a national will; the problem is our "leadership", and the fact that people keep electing the same people and the same types over and over. To "look strong", the clowns we elect use an offense (against us) to get all huffy and go invade somebody. Why would you invade another country because of 9/11 - perhaps to cover for the fact that our leadership has failed for years at national security? I had no problem with driving Iraq out of Kuwait, or helping drive Russia out of Ukraine. Those have an invader and a victim - and they weren't civil wars or insurgencies.
 
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AM64 said:
I had no problem with driving Iraq out of Kuwait, or helping drive Russia out of Ukraine. Those have an invader and a victim - and they weren't civil wars or insurgencies.
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I couldn't disagree more in either situation. I've expressed my reasons several times about Russia-Ukraine and I do not feel like getting into the Iraq-Kuwait thing right now (April Glaspie, babies in incubators and protecting democracy in Kuwait, which is a monarchy).
 
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