War in Ukraine

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AM64 said:
Why should any country give up part of the country for "peace". Do that, and the same thing is just going to happen again and again. It's why you don't negotiate and deal with terrorists - pretty simple really
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The US has acted like the biggest thugs on the planet over the last 2-3 decades. We don't have clean laundry by any stretch.

And at some point, reality has to set in. The more the US and NATO feeds weapons into Ukraine, the more it will prolong the inevitable. Meanwhile, not only will more Ukrainians possibly die, but you also run the risk of one mistake or false flag nudging us towards a nuclear exchange. Ukraine will not win this conflict. You know this. NATO knows this. So why prolong this any further? Allow 3elensky to go to the negotiating table and hammer out an honest deal.
 
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apevol said:
I think Russia went in thinking theyd pick up massive amounts of support along the way and when it didn't materialize they got ****ed and had to pull out.
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OK, so you didn't actually watch the video, because that is precisely what he said as one of their mistakes.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The US has acted like the biggest thugs on the planet over the last 2-3 decades. We don't have clean laundry by any stretch.
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what about…

And at some point, reality has to set in. The more the US and NATO feeds weapons into Ukraine, the more it will prolong the inevitable. Meanwhile, not only will more Ukrainians possibly die, but you also run the risk of one mistake or false flag nudging us towards a nuclear exchange. Ukraine will not win this conflict. You know this. NATO knows this. So why prolong this any further? Allow 3elensky to go to the negotiating table and hammer out an honest deal.
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What’s the inevitable?
 
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tvolsfan said:
It’s not unconditional. Russian troops could always go back to their own country and Ukraine would be happy to talk.
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Russia isn't giving up the eastern and southern area. Ukraine had the opportunity to negotiate a settlement with the Minsk II ceasefire agreements and still maintain their country. But instead, NATO put a battery in their backs and assured them that NATO was behind them and would support them if Russia did anything. NATO had no serious intentions as of now to do nothing more than just flood the area with weapons and empty their old stockpiles. They don't have the stomach, for now at least, to put a significant number of NATO boots on the ground outside of military advisors.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Russia isn't giving up the eastern and southern area. Ukraine had the opportunity to negotiate a settlement with the Minsk II ceasefire agreements and still maintain their country. But instead, NATO put a battery in their backs and assured them that NATO was behind them and would support them if Russia did anything. NATO had no serious intentions as of now to do nothing more than just flood the area with weapons and empty their old stockpiles. They don't have the stomach, for now at least, to put a significant number of NATO boots on the ground outside of military advisors.
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So it is conditional.



You just don’t like the conditions.
 
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tvolsfan said:
So it is conditional.



You just don’t like the conditions.
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WTF are you talking about? The longer this goes on, the worse it can get.

And really, as I think about it, the window to negotiate may already be closed. I don't think the Russians believe that Ukraine will act as honest negotiators because they know that NATO will be behind them coordinating things behind the scenes. Also, why would Russia want to truth Ukraine when they didn't abide by Minsk II?
 
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tvolsfan said:
If Ukraine had capitulated in February/March, they would have lost Kiev and any real hope at independence.

So it’s objectively better that they have kept fighting and that we have helped them.
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The outcome would have been better had they negotiated in good faith back then instead of them likely getting a far worse deal with less territory in the future.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
WTF are you talking about? The longer this goes on, the worse it can get.

And really, as I think about it, the window to negotiate may already be closed. I don't think the Russians believe that Ukraine will act as honest negotiators because they know that NATO will be behind them coordinating things behind the scenes. Also, why would Russia want to truth Ukraine when they didn't abide by Minsk II?
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I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is satire.
 
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apevol said:
Ukraine wants this fight. They've been waiting for Russia to attack when they're ready.
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Ukraine does not want this fight. NATO wants this fight. Ukraine is just the convenient proxy. 3elensky is showing to be a corrupt leader that is not looking out for the best interests of his people.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Ukraine does not want this fight. NATO wants this fight. Ukraine is just the convenient proxy. 3elensky is showing to be a corrupt leader that is not looking out for the best interests of his people.
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And where do you think they got the mind control tech causing pretty much the entire country to greet the Russians with hostility?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Ukraine does not want this fight. NATO wants this fight. Ukraine is just the convenient proxy. 3elensky is showing to be a corrupt leader that is not looking out for the best interests of his people.
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Ukraine didn’t have a choice on this fight Moe. But they’re prepared to fight it. And the West is prepared to insure they are equipped in order to fight it. Who’s gonna re-equip your homies?
 
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Russia has deployed the Terminator armor support fighting vehicle to Ukraine. They’ve already had to deploy the T-90 and the SU-34. They’re clearly not progressing as they want to and are forced to bring out their best and most valuable equipment. Hope every damn one of them get lit up like a Roman candle.

The only toy they have left to deploy is the T-14 and only about a hundred exist and they can’t get parts for more. Womp womp

Ukraine Situation Report: Russian 'Terminator' Fighting Vehicles Sent To Front

“The Russian Army has reportedly deployed its sole operational company of BMP-T Terminator armored fighting vehicles to the Donbas frontline as Russian forces struggle for a major breakthrough.”
 
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It’s also funny as hell watching Ras trying to act smart with the spellings.

3elensky
A3OB

I guess this somehow adds weight and importance to his posts? 🤡
 
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Damn, the Ukrainians have gotten really good at dropping these things so precisely. With javelins and the like, the Russians can tell where the Ukrainians are based. With these, they have no idea.

 
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tvolsfan said:
And where do you think they got the mind control tech causing pretty much the entire country to greet the Russians with hostility?
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I posted already a video that explains how the Russians may have underestimated the support they would receive from the local govts in the region. I'm making a distinction between the govts and the people. The people in these regions (regions with heavy Russian speakers) are overwhelmingly supportive of the Russian actions (obviously not "all").
 
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